Paul: "The Just (Justified) Shall Live By Faith" and not by rules, laws or religion

God's Truth said:

There are some common sense dietary guidelines, guidelines to make sure the Gentiles do not do with food that pagan's do with their food.

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LOL...right killing it by NOT suffocating it and making sure all the blood is drained makes pig, dog, snake meat clean...

God said what He has made clean don't call unclean. That goes for food and people.

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you are ADDING to what and how Peter interpreted the vision again...is something NOT even Paul did or he would have simply said.so...he didnt and what he did say you twist and mix into your own blood sausage...Peter said unstable minds would do so...

Your unclean heart craves unclean...think what you will eat in heaven and in the new earth...think what they ate before sin entered...eat that get used to it...practice here to be prepared

Or eat as He did...because you do wish to be more like Him...

clefty said:

sure it does...pray your flight not break the Sabbath why else would He have one pray that? He intends Sabbath keeping to continue as Paul affirms in Heb 4:9...a sabbath keeping remains for His people


I stick to how Peter interpreted it to mean and was never corrected on it...you can ADD it was about food...


so He destroyed the Law abolished it...Heaven and earth will pass away BEFORE any of the jots or tittles changed



Ok...

But it remains...”Here are they that keep the Commandments of Yah and the faith OF His Son”...

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Keep studying.

clefty said:

LOL...right killing it by NOT suffocating it and making sure all the blood is drained makes pig, dog, snake meat clean...

you are ADDING to what and how Peter interpreted the vision again...is something NOT even Paul did or he would have simply said.so...he didnt and what he did say you twist and mix into your own blood sausage...Peter said unstable minds would do so...

Your unclean heart craves unclean...think what you will eat in heaven and in the new earth...think what they ate before sin entered...eat that get used to it...practice here to be prepared

Or eat as He did...because you do wish to be more like Him...

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You are no Peter and you can't say Peter really thought this, and Peter really thought that...

You need to just read and believe what is written.

God is not going to tell Peter to do wrong.

God is not going to tell Peter to eat things he is not supposed to eat.

You are the one adding and subtracting.

Don't inhumanely treat the animals and don't drink their blood, no matter what kind of animal it is; that is what the Gentiles were told.

You don't hear Paul because you are a Judaizer and you have fallen from grace, or have never had it.

Neither clefty or God's Truth know or understand the Gospel.

They are both trying to do in their flesh what God has ALREADY done in Jesus Christ.

In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly. Neither one of them will confess that they are ungodly.

"But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the UNGODLY, his faith (not his works) are counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

Neither one of them will confess that they are needy sinners. They appear to have excluded themselves from salvation, because Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. They don't qualify.

Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25. Jesus does not need your help to save you. In your name and on your behalf Jesus has already offered to God the Father a life of perfect obedience to his law. In your name and on your behalf Jesus has ALREADY atoned for your sin and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. You are now complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Give up your effort to justify yourselves and trust in what Jesus has ALREADY done for you. Enter into HIS rest, Hebrews 4:10.

Robert Pate said:

Neither clefty or God's Truth know or understand the Gospel.

They are both trying to do in their flesh what God has ALREADY done in Jesus Christ.

In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly. Neither one of them will confess that they are ungodly.

"But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the UNGODLY, his faith (not his works) are counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

Neither one of them will confess that they are needy sinners. They appear to have excluded themselves from salvation, because Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. They don't qualify.

Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25. Jesus does not need your help to save you. In your name and on your behalf Jesus has already offered to God the Father a life of perfect obedience to his law. In your name and on your behalf Jesus has ALREADY atoned for your sin and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. You are now complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Give up your effort to justify yourselves and trust in what Jesus has ALREADY done for you. Enter into HIS rest, Hebrews 4:10.

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Paul tells us so many commands it would make your head spin.

God's Truth said:

Paul tells us so many commands it would make your head spin.

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You are not Paul. Paul's main message was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ".

Robert Pate said:

Neither clefty or God's Truth know or understand the Gospel.

They are both trying to do in their flesh what God has ALREADY done in Jesus Christ.

In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly. Neither one of them will confess that they are ungodly.

"But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the UNGODLY, his faith (not his works) are counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

Neither one of them will confess that they are needy sinners. They appear to have excluded themselves from salvation, because Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. They don't qualify.

Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25. Jesus does not need your help to save you. In your name and on your behalf Jesus has already offered to God the Father a life of perfect obedience to his law. In your name and on your behalf Jesus has ALREADY atoned for your sin and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. You are now complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Give up your effort to justify yourselves and trust in what Jesus has ALREADY done for you. Enter into HIS rest, Hebrews 4:10.

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You really are stubborn...I wish to do the works prepared for me because I was saved not in order to be saved...

Abraham was chosen then circumcised...its not really that hard to understand except you need to be stubborn and insist I say otherwise...

Again...was saved wish to do works because I was...the work for salvation was done by Him...

There remains work for His to do...and thankfully rest...a sabbath keeping rest...

God's Truth said:

You are no Peter and you can't say Peter really thought this, and Peter really thought that...

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Peter interpreted this vision at least 3 times and none of them included anything at all about diet or his new freedom to eat Ham or bacon and eggs...you dont think pagans knew how to make a lovely pig roast or tempting pork chop? But if Peter was able to say no to Yah...I bet he was able to say no to anyone...

You need to just read and believe what is written.

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what is written is that Peter only made it about gentiles becoming clean...NOTHING ABOUT DIET

God is not going to tell Peter to do wrong.

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He certainly tests and prompts display of obedience...what do you think Abraham felt like going to kill his only miracle son?

God is not going to tell Peter to eat things he is not supposed to eat.

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He had israel kill innocents...Hosea marry an adulterer...Abram...oh said that already...

You are the one adding and subtracting.

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nope just reading what Peter interpreted the vision to mean and sticking to it...NOTHING ABOUT DIET

Don't inhumanely treat the animals and don't drink their blood, no matter what kind of animal it is; that is what the Gentiles were told.

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these gentiles were desirous of knowing more about the ONE who defeated death...they already crowded the synagogues on Sabbaths...already showing more conviction than you to learn about Him/His ways...you really think pig eaters would be allowed to sit with them and listen as long as the pig was humanely treated? LOL

You don't hear Paul because you are a Judaizer and you have fallen from grace, or have never had it.

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now you display traditional ignorance as to what a judaizer is and what they were doing...judaizers are those that insist some jewish custom is done TO BE SAVED...TO ASSOCIATE WITH OTHER JEWS...both of these claims were NOT even taught in the OT...

Your weak attempts at ad homs reveals further your inner heart...and His teaching not what goes in defiles but that one is already defiled to let defilement in...what comes out defiles...the desires to hold on to man’s traditions like bacon and eggs...

Robert Pate said:

You are not Paul. Paul's main message was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ".

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Paul says to obey God's commands.

There are many.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

God's Truth said:

Paul says to obey God's commands.

There are many.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

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Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

We must 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV!

God's Truth said:

Paul says to obey God's commands.

There are many.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

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But you don't, Simply because, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10. By trying to keep the law you make yourself, The Chief of all Hypocrites.

heir said:

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

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Read that scripture more carefully, it says when you were DEAD in your sins and the UNCIRCUMCISION of your flesh...That is about the Gentiles who did not get circumcised and do the purification works to take care of their sins the way the Jews did. Jesus saved then while they were dead in their sins and he did not make them get circumcised first.

heir said:

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

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That is the works of the law called the purification works.

Robert Pate said:

But you don't, Simply because, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10. By trying to keep the law you make yourself, The Chief of all Hypocrites.

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There is none righteous is about there is no one who has not ever sinned. That does not mean you are not to repent of your sins and work and train yourself.

Why are you trying to get out of what Paul says?

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Train ourselves. Work out our salvation.

Luke 6:40
A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.
1 Corinthians 9:25
Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.
1 Timothy 4:7, 8
Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Titus 2:4
Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children,
Hebrews 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
Hebrews 12:11
No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

God's Truth said:

Read that scripture more carefully,

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The commandments the Gentiles that Paul was first sent were under and praised for keeping were against us, contrary to us and taken out of the way, nailed to His cross!

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Get saved and 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV!

God's Truth said:

There is none righteous is about there is no one who has not ever sinned. That does not mean you are not to repent of your sins and work and train yourself.

Why are you trying to get out of what Paul says?

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

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No, what counts is faith in Christ and his Gospel. Your works and obedience counts for nothing, Romans 4:5.

God's Truth said:

That is the works of the law called the purification works.

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You keep repeating this foolishness as if only the ritual washings and such were what were against us and contray to us and needed to be taken out of the way, and that it is YOU that is required to fulfill that other part of the law that apparently Christ did not fulfill.
It is foolishness to think that adultery, murder, coveting, graven images, dishonoring parents, etc. were not also against us and contrary to us and needed to be taken out of the way.

Robert Pate said:

No, what counts is faith in Christ and his Gospel. Your works and obedience counts for nothing, Romans 4:5.

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The works Paul is talking about that no one has to do anymore are the works of the law called the purification works.

Peter heard of people like you misunderstanding Paul and he calls these people are unlearned and unstable; then he WARNS us to obey. See all of 2 Peter 3.

James heard of these people too and calls them foolish. See James 2:14,17,19, 20, 22, 24, 29.

Tambora said:

You keep repeating this foolishness as if only the ritual washings and such were what were against us and contray to us and needed to be taken out of the way, and that it is YOU that is required to fulfill that other part of the law that apparently Christ did not fulfill.
It is foolishness to think that adultery, murder, coveting, graven images, dishonoring parents, etc. were not also against us and contrary to us and needed to be taken out of the way.

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Jesus came and taught mercy and forgiveness. So instead of you getting put to death for those things and being separated from God...you could ask for forgiveness and repent of those things.

God's Truth said:

The works Paul is talking about that no one has to do anymore are the works of the law called the purification works.

Peter heard of people like you misunderstanding Paul and he calls these people are unlearned and unstable; then he WARNS us to obey. See all of 2 Peter 3.

James heard of these people too and calls them foolish. See James 2:14,17,19, 20, 22, 24, 29.

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Yep, here she is again pretending like she understands Paul.

Oh ...she does this so she can preach her false gospel of works. She is to be accursed. :down: