Clete said:
I do. That is why i used the Astrix. That doesn't keep it from being a dumb *** remark.
No. A Christian today cannot lose their salvation under any circumstances whatsoever.
Right, so why the dumb remarks?
No they don't. That's just the point.
Yes it does because salvation came the same way; by grace through faith. You are so dense.
My logic? I didn't say anything like this, you dork. :kookoo:
You may not have said it but your logic demand it. You must be in denial of your own logic or to stupid to recognize it.
The latter is true but the former is not. Grace is compatible with a dispensation of law but law is not compatible with a dispensation of grace.
The law is incompatible with grace, nitwit. Don't you get it.
Here's a good way to see what I mean. Let's say you hire someone to paint your house. When the job is done you owe him his pay. But if he didn't do a great job and you choose to pay him his full wage anyway, that's grace + law. Or if his job was as expected and you paid him his wage plus 20%, that too is grace + law. That is, his wage which he earned was law and that which he got but didn't earn was grace. The two are totally compatible in such a situation.
So now salvation is earned and not a free gift. You are so totally convoluted. If salvation came by law then it was not of grace. Even Paul, whom you say you admire, says that and not only did he say that but he also said you cannot maintain salvation. Man, are you confused.
But now lets reverse it. Let's say you volunteered to paint your neighbor's house as a free gift just because you loved your neighbor and the need was there (in fact we'll presume that you neighbor was completely unable to afford to get the work done any other way). Let's say also that while you were working your neighbor made sure to keep a full class of cool lemonade ready for you to drink at a moments notice. Now, how would you feel if a week later your neighbor was almost bragging to a mutual friend of yours about how you had painted his whole house and all it cost him was a couple gallons of Kool-Aid! If you wouldn't be insulted you're more stupid than I supposed. If your neighbor had given the lemonade to you just to be kind then that would be fine but the moment he gives it to you out of a feeling of obligation as though he owes you something it turns into an insult because paying for a gift doesn't work.
This latter example is precisely what we do as Christians when we try to please God by obeying the Ten Commandments or some other set of rules. Our entire relationship with God including both our salvation and our sanctification is based entirely on grace and nothing else. Anything else we attempt to add to it cheapens what God did at the cross and insults the work accomplished there. No wonder any such works will be burned up on the Day of Judgment.
There are only two reason's why we obey God. The first is from fear. We are afraid that if we do not then God will punish us. That is a valid reason for obeying God. Hebrews 12:6 *For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 *If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 *But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 *Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 *For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 *Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
The second is love 1 John 4:9 *In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 *Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
We do because we love. We love because God first loved us.
In your example, what does it matter what the receiver of the gift does? The motivation is love, not reward. What does it matter what others think of you act of love even when others think you a fool for your act of kindness.
Of course! Our actions have real consequences including actions like cussing on public forums and teaching people that God decrees sin.
Romans 8:1 *¶There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,.
2 *For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 *For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 *That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 *For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 *For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 *Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 *So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 *But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 *¶And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 *But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
No it didn't, it was symbolic. It was nonetheless required.
Then why the rebellion when Christ commanded the Church to do it?Matthew 28:18 *And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 *Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 *Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Water was not used to wash away sin. I never suggested otherwise. Please try to stay on the same page as the rest of us.
Why don't you pay attention to the implications of what you say?
When Jesus was on Earth it was already a command. Jesus followed that command and repeated the command, but the symbolic commandments given to the nation of Israel are not binding on those who are not members of that nation. And even if they were (which they aren't) the law was nailed to the cross and is quite completely null and void for those who are in Christ.
Why call me Lord, Lord and do not those things I commanded you. It does not matter if it was part of the ceremonial law of Israel or not. Jesus had already risen and the whole law was fulfilled in Him. It is a matter of love and not salvation. Why should i even take you seriously when you will not do even the first thing He ask of you.
No not everything just the requirements of the law.
Baptism is not a requirement of the Mosaic law but the command of your King.
Allowing yourself to be placed under the law is a sin e4e. It won't keep you out of heaven but it will make your daily walk a complete failure by cutting you off from the power of Christ's resurrection.
You are the one who keeps calming sin as your on possession. Not me.
Somehow this answer from you doesn't surprise me a bit.
If nothing has changed then what was the purpose of Paul? Were Peter's legs broken? Could James not speak? Was John unable to write? Why Paul? Why not use Matthias or Mathew or any one of the other twelve apostles?
Resting in Him,
Colette
Well clete, it is because it is the truth. Why Paul? I don't know and further more I am not concerned about that. God chooses whom He will and for the purpose that he will and does not need instruction from you are me. That is just plan silly to wast time on.
