Turkey Gone Rogue

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Turkey Gone Rogue
Turkey is gripped by a Muslim patriotic frenzy. The Turkish religious affairs directorate organized special prayers for the soldiers, with verses from the Koranic chapter entitled "Conquest" read out at tens of thousands of mosques the evening the operation began and the morning after.

The Turkies in Turkey have lost their Muslim mind.

Turkey warns US to stop support of Kurd's or face confrontation.

https://www.google.com/search?q=news+/+turkey&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab
 
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CherubRam said:
Turkey Gone Rogue
Turkey is gripped by a Muslim patriotic frenzy. The Turkish religious affairs directorate organized special prayers for the soldiers, with verses from the Koranic chapter entitled "Conquest" read out at tens of thousands of mosques the evening the operation began and the morning after.

The Turkies in Turkey have lost their Muslim mind.

Turkey warns US to stop support of Kurd's or face confrontation.

https://www.google.com/search?q=news+/+turkey&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab
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This is our fault. Obama tried to take out Erdogan via coup and it blew up in the west's face. I thought Trump might be able to buddy up to Erdogan and change his attitude, but that hasn't been the case. He doesn't trust us, and he shouldn't. Now, Turkey feels like it is being unfairly treated by Europe, and Erdogan is using that sentiment to tighten his grip on power and to move turkey to a more nationalistic place (to be fair, the last point applies to much of Europe and Asia now, as well as the US)
 
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This is our fault. Obama tried to take out Erdogan via coup and it blew up in the west's face. I thought Trump might be able to buddy up to Erdogan and change his attitude, but that hasn't been the case. He doesn't trust us, and he shouldn't. Now, Turkey feels like it is being unfairly treated by Europe, and Erdogan is using that sentiment to tighten his grip on power and to move turkey to a more nationalistic place (to be fair, the last point applies to much of Europe and Asia now, as well as the US)
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Turkey's president is using the failed coup as an excuse to rub out democracy.
 
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The Christian Kurd's have done a good job. As far as I know, none of them have shot our troops in the back, or blown them up. Unlike the Muslims.
 
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It seems that Turkey thinks of all Christians as terrorist. Speaking about the bible and Christianity is an act of terrorism.

I guess they define things differently than we do.
 
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CherubRam said:
Turkey's president is using the failed coup as an excuse to rub out democracy.
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I think he's rightly fearing being deposed and no longer trusts the west. His paranoia is warranted. And the people, in a democratic vote, gave him authoritarian power. We have to respect democratic decisions, whether or not they further the idea of western democracy
 
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Kurdish language and culture have been repressed for ages by the Turkish government . How can you blame the Kurds for wanting to preserve their language and culture ? Kurdish kids are mot allowed to speak Kurdish in school .
For a long time, the government in Ankara has refused to recognize Kurdish rights , and they were once labeled "mountain Turks ".
There are also millions of ethnic Turks in Iran , at least 25 % of Iranians are Azerbaijani Turks, Turkmen or other Turkish groups , and they have also been denied rights for so long, even though ethnic Turks have pretty much ruled Iran for centuries and the Ali Khamanei is an Azeri Turk himself .
True, Erdogan is trying to limit democracy and secular government in Turkey , but the majority of Turks and the Turkish military are still utterly opposed to this . Ataturk is spinning in his mausoleum .
 
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Greg Jennings said:
This is our fault. Obama tried to take out Erdogan via coup
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Among the reasons the coup failed was that the United States refused to back the coup leaders and called for the restoration of the legally elected government.

President Barack Obama called on all parties to "support the democratically elected government of Turkey" on Friday after an attempted military coup in the country, a strategically located but fickle NATO ally whose cooperation is crucial to defeating the Islamic State terrorist network.

Obama's view was announced in a readout of his call with Secretary of State John Kerry.

"The president and secretary agreed that all parties in Turkey should support the democratically-elected government of Turkey, show restraint, and avoid any violence or bloodshed. The secretary underscored that the State Department will continue to focus on the safety and security of U.S. citizens in Turkey," the White House statement said.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/barack-obama-turkey-coup-225642

It seems unlikely that he'd instigate a coup, and then denounce it as soon as it was launched.
 
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The Barbarian said:
Among the reasons the coup failed was that the United States refused to back the coup leaders and called for the restoration of the legally elected government.

President Barack Obama called on all parties to "support the democratically elected government of Turkey" on Friday after an attempted military coup in the country, a strategically located but fickle NATO ally whose cooperation is crucial to defeating the Islamic State terrorist network.

Obama's view was announced in a readout of his call with Secretary of State John Kerry.

"The president and secretary agreed that all parties in Turkey should support the democratically-elected government of Turkey, show restraint, and avoid any violence or bloodshed. The secretary underscored that the State Department will continue to focus on the safety and security of U.S. citizens in Turkey," the White House statement said.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/barack-obama-turkey-coup-225642

It seems unlikely that he'd instigate a coup, and then denounce it as soon as it was launched.
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I disagree entirely. Why would he admit to starting a coup? When has any US president ever done that? We know the US feared Erdogan would turn into a dictator and move Turkey away from the west. That's plenty of reason for us to back a coup

This is why nobody trusts us nor should they. We have attempted something like 50+ government overthrows since the 50s.
 
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The Horn said:
Kurdish language and culture have been repressed for ages by the Turkish government . How can you blame the Kurds for wanting to preserve their language and culture ? Kurdish kids are mot allowed to speak Kurdish in school .
For a long time, the government in Ankara has refused to recognize Kurdish rights , and they were once labeled "mountain Turks ".
There are also millions of ethnic Turks in Iran , at least 25 % of Iranians are Azerbaijani Turks, Turkmen or other Turkish groups , and they have also been denied rights for so long, even though ethnic Turks have pretty much ruled Iran for centuries and the Ali Khamanei is an Azeri Turk himself .
True, Erdogan is trying to limit democracy and secular government in Turkey , but the majority of Turks and the Turkish military are still utterly opposed to this . Ataturk is spinning in his mausoleum .
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I don't know if this was aimed at me or not, but I'm a very firm supporter of an independent Kurdistan
 
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