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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    You will be held accountable for these Truthes I am witnessing to..it does not matter you cannot understand them..
    You're speaking from the wrong perspective. You need to switch over to a sinner's point of view and then you'll be seeing these scriptures in the right context.

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    You're speaking from the wrong perspective.
    No, you will be held accountable for all this Truth you reject..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    No, you will be held accountable for all this Truth you reject..
    What truth could possibly come from a sinner who pretends his interpretations of the scriptures are from God.

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    What truth
    The Truth I am preaching, you will be held accountable for it. Also you are being held accountable for the false witnessing you are doing..see ya at the judgment..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The Gospel of the Grace of God !

    Some of the jews had been chosen in Christ, but many were Just called to be in the physical nation , so many were called but few were chosen before time began.. Also this choosing and grace that is active before time to certain individuals is not based upon any foreseen actions or merit of the ones Chosen, verified by rom 9:

    11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth).

    They did not exist and they had did no activity...

    Now this scripture rom 9:11 has been most hated and twisted to erase its obvious and natural meaning. Paul here speaks of the purpose of God as in eph 1; the election here is of individuals as it is in eph 1. Now even though Jacobs individual election effects the National election of Israel, this none the less does not take away from from the primary elective principal of an individual which is in view in rom 9:11. Election Paul teaches is on the sole basis of God's Eternal Purpose in Christ as in eph 1 and not any foreseen actions or merit, for it was for this error that rom 9 11 was written, to contend against the ideal that some foreseen action or merit or faith was the cause of election, for if such was the case, that election was premised on foreseen faith or merit, then salvation would be by works..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The Gospel of the Grace of God

    The bible teaches antecedent grace in another specific eternal truth, that of some having been predestinated unto the conformity of the image of God's Son, that He may be the Firstborn of many brethren rom 8:

    29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    This scripture too has been wrested by the adversary, by those calling themselves believers in Christ, though they quote the scripture properly, there interpretation goes against the True meaning. They make it read as what God foresaw, that He foreknew who would believe in Christ in time, so He predestinated them before time, which nonsense gives a finite creature control over the actions of a Infinite Being and Sovereign, that finite is causative of infinite action, man has the precedence over God, and makes Faith which is a what, and not a whom, that which was foreknown; whereas this foreknowledge is of persons "whom" and not actions or conditions i.e Faith and Repentance ! So the correct understanding and rendering of foreknow is vital.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Foreknow in the Gospel !

    So the correct understanding and rendering of foreknow is vital.

    Its a compound greek word made up of pro [before] and gnosis [to know], but this does not refer to mere knowing beforehand, or cognizance of the existence or actions of persons is quite obvious from a number of considerations. First Jesus will proclaim to many in the Judgment day that He never Knew[gnosis] them-and tells them to depart from Him, and surely He does not mean that He was not cognizance of their persons and their actions as pointed out in the previous verse 22

    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    In addition, God's foreknowledge is not passive prescience, but a active ordaining force, for the same word is used as foreordained in 1 pet 1 20


    20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    and again in acts 2:

    23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    It was God's determinate counsel and foreknowledge that delivered Christ to be crucified, and in addition, His foreknowledge was preceded by His Purpose to do so, and so it [God's foreknowledge] is affixed and subordinate to to His decrees..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewordofgod View Post
    You're speaking from the wrong perspective. You need to switch over to a sinner's point of view and then you'll be seeing these scriptures in the right context.

    Sinless Saints

    (Who has invented the triune God. Page 191. Post 2852)

    If you want to be born of God and have the knowledge of God, which is the truth, then you have to be sinless. It's not a good idea to challenge God about the Bible because he's the only one who can interpret the scriptures.

    1 John 1:
    7: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
    8: If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    10: If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

    I am God, Kystyna, and you're acting like a complete idiot. (What’s the truth? page 2 post 28)
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    Only a fool could prove that a "Sinless Saint" sins or that the last all knowing prophet makes mistakes.

    Only a derailed man could call himself God.

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    Foreknow in the Gospel !

    Also the word know is used in other ways than mere cognizant of existence of some one or something, but it also carries the connotation of to approve or the parallel clause suggest to esteem , to Love 1 thess 5:


    12And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

    13And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

    The word know is instructive and enlightening in this verse Matt 1:


    25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

    Where the sense here for the word know is living together or union. The NIV for this verse reads:

    25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

    So, to know does imply a union, a fore-union. Those Christ or The Father foreknew was by forenoon !

    So Jesus can very well mean in Matt 7 23, I never had a union with you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity..

    Some would say that to foreknow is the same as election because in rom 8:29 to foreknow goes before predestination, and in eph 1:4-5 Election goes before predestination, but that they are not exactly the same is seen from 1 pet 1:

    2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    But they are conjoined, and hence Here God's foreknowledge is God's foreordaining certain people in His elective purposes unto gospel obedience..
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    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Preaching the Gospel of the Grace of God !

    Antecedent Grace goes before to regenerate the ones who are to believe in Christ, for thats the intended meaning of a very misunderstood verse verse in Titus 2:

    11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    Here Grace is said to bring salvation, converting the sinner and teaching them how to live in light of the second coming of Christ vs

    12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

    13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;


    You see, vs 12 and 13 are adjoined to vs 11, the grace here brings experimental salvation or conversion. Those who twist the truth run for this verse to support their unscriptural views that God's Grace is made possible for all without exception..But Paul is actually testifying to a Sovereign work of the Grace of God to all the elect of all nations..

    This is so because the dead sinner must be quickened, that is made alive as per eph 2:

    1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;


    5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

    The dead sinner must first be made alive to do anything spiritual, how can one dead in sin deny ungodliness ? So then, how can a dead in sin person repent and turn to the Lord ? Is not that a form of denying ungodliness ?

    So the Grace of God brings regenerating Grace to quicken alive all the elect men and women for whom Christ died, to convert them to a life dedicated to the Holy Purpose of God..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by bybee View Post
    The devil doesn't have the power to create. He is a destroyer only. The devil has no seed. But he can uproot and destroy that which is not firmly planted. To spend one's time passing judgment on the worth of any of God's children is to usurp one of God's functions. bybee


    MATTHEW 13:38

    38.) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;



    Don't be so readily fooled in the thinking that Satan has no seed...


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    Quote Originally Posted by 14400 View Post
    MATTHEW 13:38

    38.) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    Who is the wicked one?

    Don't be so readily fooled in the thinking that Satan has no seed...
    Satan as a fallen angel is not written.

    Satan is anybody or anything in opposition.

    Thus Jesus called Peter Satan.

    Thus the angel of God Satan to Baal.

    Thus God made David to curry out counting of Israel.

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    Be made alive First !

    Can a dead man do anything ? Absolutely not. Could Lazarus come forth without being made alive first by the power of Christ ? Only the deceived would answer in the affirmative, but thats why the figure of death is wisely used to describe the lost person, to indicate his or her total inability to bring oneself to life, a resurrection is therefore needed. However many deceived souls believe they can regenerate themselves, bring themselves to life because they claim they are made alive as soon as they Believe ! But the question remains, can a spiritually dead person perform an spiritual act, as can a physically dead person can perform a physical act ? Believe the Gospel, is spiritual act, for the gospel is spiritual message, for its the Gospel of God who is Spirit rom 1:

    1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

    Jn 4:

    24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    Scripture is very clear that the natural man cannot receive a spiritual word 1 cor 2:

    13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    The word receive here in context means:

    to receive favourably, give ear to, embrace, make one's own, approve, not to reject

    The Natural man cannot receive favourably the Gospel, cannot give ear to it, nor embrace it, or make it his own, nor give approval, or not reject it..

    So, the cannot believe it ! We must first be spiritually quickened, that is made alive, which is what the Truth teaches, and this being the case, then there is absolutely nothing in the natural man to cause him to be saved.

    Matt 19:


    25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

    26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

    Jesus here is not advocating synergism as in God and Man can work together in a man becoming saved, but instead He is affirming that salvation is out of the control and ability of man, and relies solely on God's ability, that is Salvation is only possible if God saves us !

    If we are saved, it must be wholly by the Grace of God, in God's elective purposes [election of grace] for no works or abilities of our own are sufficient or needed.

    Thats the meaning of eph 2:

    5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

    Before believing one must be passed from death unto life ![see Jn 5:24]

    That God makes alive some people even while still dead in sin, even dead in unbelief !

    Folks if man is saved by his own faith, that faith is an ability in us, then God does not save us by His ability only, but we save ourselves, and to us [at least partly] is the glory due, however if we be dead in sin and unbelief, and totally incapacitated from doing any good [which is true whether we believe it or not] spiritually, and Faith be a gift of God's electing Grace, then salvation is surely of Grace, it is of God, and to Him be all the Glory..

    rev 19:1

    And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Could Lazarus come forth without being made alive first by the power of Christ ?
    Was it the power of Christ or the power of the Father the only true God?

    Joh 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

    Jn 4:

    24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    Scripture is very clear that the natural man cannot receive a spiritual word 1 cor 2:

    The Father is the "wind". Compare what Jesus said:

    Joh 3:8 The wind "pneuma" bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit "pneuma".

    14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    Spirit "wind" of God not God the spirit "wind".

    The word receive here in context means:

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    Grace goes before to give Faith !

    Grace goes before to give Faith ! Thus making salvation to be solely of God's Grace eph 2:8 to be saved by grace through faith, is all of grace, even the Faith is of grace, for believers believe through or by means of grace, the very grace we are saved by acts 18:


    27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

    Also the word believed in this scripture is in the perfect tense , denoting the permanency of their believing, they will always believe..

    Now in addition there are many scriptures that allocate faith to the grace of God, though they are ignored or wrested to give man the glory. The proud sinner will not bow to God in that He is Sovereign in Salvation, even in who believes, and those who do not yet confess this, are still not taught of God. We will look at some text that absolutely teach the Sovereignty of God in who Believes, even though I am sure they will be assailed..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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