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    The Bible Doctrine of Election, a Gospel Truth

    So the Church, Christ Body,as chosen in Him, were in a eternal vital union with their Glorious Head before Adam was ever fashioned out of the dust, for the Churches life was his with Christ in God.

    Col 1:


    17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning

    In the beginning, before all things created, even Adam, He was the Head of the Body, the Church !

    Also col 3:

    3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

    This comes from being chosen in and adopted[as Sons or children] in Christ before the world began !

    Lets compare scripture on this Truth 1 jn 5:

    7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    It should not be doubted by those taught of God, to believe that God the Father hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings [in time] in heavenly places in Christ [eph 2:6] according [ in agreement with] as He hath chosen us in Christ before the foundation of the world eph 1:3-4. Being appointed, predestined, and ordained, that all those thusly chosen, should in fulness of the dispensation of times, be personally developed as Children of the Flesh [ Adam] by a natural generation; and then afterwords by a spiritual generation or birth to be manifested as the children of God or seed of Christ !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The Gospel is not a Offer !

    What the Gospel is !

    The basic premise of the gospel is not a Offer , but the Good News, that Jesus, the God Man has come to save His People from their sins Matt 1:


    21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    The heart of this Gospel is the cross of Christ, His Taking on the seed of Abraham [heb 2:16] with their salvation in view, which are Gods elect out of Mankind, a people not mainly in National Israel but out of all Nations. Gen 17:


    5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    To teach that the gospel is an offer to all for its acceptance or rejection, is saying that the cross of Christ had no definite end in view with definite effects and accomplishments. That it [The cross] did not ensure or procure the salvation of anyone, but only made it [salvation ] possible for all without exception, which concept is false, it is based upon a faulty understanding of what the atonement is and accomplished ! They teach that the cross of Christ had no definite achievement, beyond only making salvation possible !

    To preach the Gospel in a way that deprives the cross of its achievement for Gods elect, through Christ, is a False Gospel.

    Mk 16:


    15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, andpreach the gospel to every creature.

    Lets for a moment look at the word preach ! It is here in mk 16:15 the greek word kerysso:

    to be a herald, to officiate as a herald

    a) to proclaim after the manner of a herald

    b) always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed

    2) to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done

    3) used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other
    Christian teachers

    This is important, because as we see its definition, not once is it implied or said that Preaching is an offer.

    It is the announcement of what Has been done ! Its either believed or not.

    Now to preach the gospel to every creature does not even suggest by a long shot that salvation is being made possible for all, but rather means the saving effects of the cross extends beyond the people of the jews unto the gentiles, and that the elect cannot be outwardly distinguished from the non elect, especially when the elect are still unregenerated. The intention however of the True Gospel Preacher is to be used of God in the calling forth of the elect of God to conversion and fellowship into the Gospel..phil 1:5

    For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;

    This end Paul had in mind and understood by what he stated here 2 tim 2:


    10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they [The elect] may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    What can be more plainer than this, that Paul understood the salvation of Christ Jesus to be for the elect !!

    This verse definitely proves that Paul believed salvation was for Gods elect, and Preached it that way..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
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    If its 'gospel' its good news for all

    Not that God has pre-ordained and chosen a special selection of souls to be 'disenfranchised' for all eternity.



    pj
    If you believed it would be Great News for you.
    "God foreknows nothing by contingency, but that he foresees, purposes, and does all things according to his immutable, eternal and infallible will. By this thunderbolt, "free will" is thrown prostrate and utterly dashed to pieces. Those therefore, who would assert "free will," must either deny this thunderbolt, or pretend not to see it, or push it from them." -Martin Luther

    "The Church has surrendered her once lofty concept of God and has substituted for it one so low, so ignoble, as to be utterly unworthy of thinking, worshiping men. This she has not done deliberately, but little by little and without her knowledge; and her very unawareness only makes her situation all the more tragic." -A.W. Tozer

    "He that has doctrinal knowledge and speculation only, without affection, never is engaged in the business of religion." -Jonathan Edwards

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    The Myth of the Gospel being a Offer !

    The Myth of the Gospel being a Offer to all for its acceptance or rejection is a denial of the doctrine of mans total inability spiritually !

    The practice of offering the Gospel to the unsaved is implying they have the ability to exercise a Faith that saves, before being saved by regeneration and the renewal of the Holy Ghost as per Titus 3:


    5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    Hence, there must be a saving work of mercy performed on us by the Holy Ghost, before we can perform any spiritual activity or movement, to deny this is a denial of our native spiritual inability and to place mans effort over Spiritual God given Faith by the renewal of the Holy Ghost.. For Faith is a Fruit of the Spirit gal 5:

    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    The gospel being a offer to one and all in order to get saved, is a repudiation of the need of God's regenerating Grace of the Spirit. If men could believe without this, then what need is it to believe through [by means of] Grace as per acts 18:


    27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

    The whole of Salvation by Grace through Faith is the gracious Gift of God...

    The Gospel message in its God Honoring Doctrines can only be received favorably by those who have been born spiritually, and can spiritually discern its Truth..and its not offered to them, but proclaimed to them..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    A General Proclamation of the Gospel !

    Matt 22:


    1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

    2The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

    3And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

    What we have here is Jesus in parable form describing the general preaching of the Gospel, and of course we know that it was first preached to the nation of Israel, but to later be proclaimed throughout the world..

    The King represents God the Father, The Kings Son is Jesus Christ, and the marriage announcement is the external preaching of the Gospel, and the bride is the church, the elect of God, those who were given to the Son [ jn 6:37-39,44] before the world began by the Father.

    So the Gospel message proclaims or sets forth the Marriage Union between Christ the Son and His Church, the Chosen Bride, it proclaims the great Truths of the Everlasting Covenant.

    Now it is in this way the Gospel is freely proclaimed to all who come within its proclamation, and all should believe its Truths and facts and fear God for the same. Not to do so is treating the heavenly message and its Author with contempt and making His record of His Son to be a Lie.

    1 jn 5:

    10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    You see John the Baptist knew that it was not all in national Israel Jesus came to save from sin, but the remnant of them that belonged to His Bride, lets look at Jn 3:


    29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. cp Matt 9:

    15And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.



    Jesus was the Bridegroom, and He knew His Bride !

    Now If John in jn 3 29 is referring to Jesus Christ as the bridegroom, then eph 5 is applicable vs :


    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

    27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

    also rev 19:


    7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

    8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

    So, the general preaching of the Gospel is to set forth the marriage of the Son, and who His Bride is. His Bride is a very particular Bride, not all of humanity, but a select Bride, by the Father.

    Thats why Jesus told the multitudes, Jn 6:

    37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

    44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

    They have to be of the Chosen Bride, Chosen in Him , as Eve was in Adam, before the foundation of the world...
    Last edited by beloved57; February 18th, 2011 at 07:45 AM.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The Gospel of the Grace of God !

    Acts 20:


    24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

    Men really hate this Gospel, the Gospel of the Grace of God, because it is opposed to our pride and ego by nature, and our natural way of thinking about salvation !

    The Apostle Paul places a strong emphasis on the Grace of God and its superior role in the salvation of certain sinners, elect sinners as pointed out in rom 11:

    5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    And it does not matter if Paul here is referring to elect jews in israel, because the same grace saves jew or gentile as stated here acts 15:


    11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. That would be the same election of grace..

    Election of Grace is mentioned again by Paul here in eph 2:

    5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

    8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: The Faith is part of the grace..for we believe or have Faith through grace acts 18:

    27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

    Not believed by freewill or mans choice, but by means of Grace..

    Paul teaches that we are Justified by Grace Titus 3:

    7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    And this is that Justifying grace which brings salvation to all elect men..Titus 2:

    11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    titus 1:

    1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

    Most people forget that titus 2:11 applies to those in titus 1:1..

    Now we make these points about Grace because Paul also teaches that Chronologically the Grace of God that does these things antedates all of God's dealings with man in grace in time and is the basis of His dealings with us in time in mercy !

    2 tim 1:

    9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    ps 103:

    17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

    Notice that the stedfast Love [Mercy] of Jehovah is from everlasting not to all, but unto them that are fearing Him in time ! So this Mercy or stedfast love was upon them before time, and before they actually actually and experientially feared God, for none of us are born with the fear of God already in our hearts, but are as others, by nature children of wrath. We all by nature have no fear of God before our eyes as stated here rom 3:

    18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

    But we all walk as stated here eph 2:

    2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    But God had mercy upon us from everlasting, and according to that mercy He saves us in time by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost and are given a new Heart by this, a Heart that fears God..

    Titus 3:

    5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    ezk 36:

    24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

    25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

    26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    Jer 32:

    39And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

    40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

    All this was done according to Divine Purpose and Grace given us in Christ before the world began.

    So Paul wrote of salvation and calling as past facts in His and other believers experience, but He owned that ground of the saving, was of Gods Grace given before times eternal...
    Last edited by beloved57; January 10th, 2011 at 07:54 AM.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The Gospel of the Grace of God !

    There must be in any teaching of the Gospel of the Grace of God, that it is the special favor which God has had for His elect from eternity past, and that is what motivates Him to do all that He has done for the everlasting good of those whom He has given to Jesus Christ in the covenant of grace.

    This Grace works for us before our actual realization as the text 2 tim 1:9 indicates. It is antecedent to human existence, for it dates from everlasting and reaches to eternity and will be displayed in the ages to come eph 2:

    7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    That is grace has reigned in eternity past in His contriving the plan, and also in time in executing it upon its favored subjects and will continue to rein to its consummation in Glory, and then to be marveled and adored. It is from everlasting to everlasting, so it reigned in our election, redemption, regeneration, Call and Justification, and sanctification, and will reign in our preservation, resurrection or rapture and final glorification..
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    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The Gospel of the Grace of God !

    That God delt with specific individuals before time began in a way of Grace is seen by the fact that some had their names written in the book of life from the foundation of the world per rev 17:


    8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    This statement certainly implies the opposite truth, that there were some names [ Individuals] recored ed before time ! Here are a few more references to this Eternal inscribing:

    Lk 10:

    20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

    phil 4:

    3And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

    heb 12:

    23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

    Note, many of the church of the firstborn had not even been born yet when the writer wrote this epistle, but nevertheless, they are still written in heaven..

    The word written here is in the perfect tense too, meaning, even those who were yet to be born in the future whose names are written in heaven, had them so in the past once and for all time..

    Rev 3:

    5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    Far from this verse indicating that its possible for one whose written in the book of life being erased out, but to the contrary, it confirms all the more that because of their interest in Christ and His death and righteousness imputed to them, they have no danger of ever being lost..

    They are the very ones God the Father gave unto Him to save jn 6:

    39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    And those very ones He will yet confess their names before the Father, that He lost not one of them..

    These things are to be proclaimed in the Gospel of God's Grace..
    Last edited by beloved57; January 11th, 2011 at 09:43 AM.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    So the Church, Christ Body,as chosen in Him, were in a eternal vital union with their Glorious Head before Adam was ever fashioned out of the dust, for the Churches life was his with Christ in God.

    Col 1:


    17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning

    In the beginning, before all things created, even Adam, He was the Head of the Body, the Church !

    Also col 3:

    3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

    This comes from being chosen in and adopted[as Sons or children] in Christ before the world began !

    Lets compare scripture on this Truth 1 jn 5:

    7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    It should not be doubted by those taught of God, to believe that God the Father hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings [in time] in heavenly places in Christ [eph 2:6] according [ in agreement with] as He hath chosen us in Christ before the foundation of the world eph 1:3-4. Being appointed, predestined, and ordained, that all those thusly chosen, should in fulness of the dispensation of times, be personally developed as Children of the Flesh [ Adam] by a natural generation; and then afterwords by a spiritual generation or birth to be manifested as the children of God or seed of Christ !
    The only problem you have is that no Christians have ever been sinless saints. You need to use all the scriptures so you can get a good understanding of the truth. You also need to read Amos 8:9-11 to see that there was a famine of the word in the end times that started after the Roman government killed all the true saints.

    Ephesians 1:
    3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
    4: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.
    5: He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

    Romans 8:
    28: We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose
    29: For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.
    30: And those whom he predestined he also called and those whom he called; he also justified; and those whom he justified; he also glorified.

    1 John 1
    9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1 John 2:
    3: And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4: He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
    29: If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that every one who does right is born of him.

    1 John 3:
    6: No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him.
    9: No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

    1 John 5:
    2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
    3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
    18: We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

    Galations 5:
    24: And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

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    theword:

    The only problem you have is that no Christians have ever been sinless saints.
    You are off subject compltely..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The Gospel of the Grace of God !

    The antecedent Grace of God before our existence is seen in God choosing us in Christ before the foundation of the world as per eph 1:


    4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    This was before and includes this statement here in deut 7:

    6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

    7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

    Note: God was not speaking to all the ethnic jews there, but to the remnant that was chosen in Christ [eph 1:4] for God has no Love for a people outside of Christ Jesus..

    Some of the jews had been chosen in Christ, but many were Just called to be in the physical nation , so many were called but few were chosen before time began.. Also this choosing and grace that is active before time to certain individuals is not based upon any foreseen actions or merit of the ones Chosen, verified by rom 9:

    11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

    They did not exist and they had did no activity...
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    You are off subject compltely..
    I'm right on the money my friend. You're the one avoiding the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    The Gospel of the Grace of God !

    The antecedent Grace of God before our existence is seen in God choosing us in Christ before the foundation of the world as per eph 1:


    4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    This was before and includes this statement here in deut 7:

    6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

    7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

    Note: God was not speaking to all the ethnic jews there, but to the remnant that was chosen in Christ [eph 1:4] for God has no Love for a people outside of Christ Jesus..

    Some of the jews had been chosen in Christ, but many were Just called to be in the physical nation , so many were called but few were chosen before time began.. Also this choosing and grace that is active before time to certain individuals is not based upon any foreseen actions or merit of the ones Chosen, verified by rom 9:

    11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

    They did not exist and they had did no activity...
    You have no understanding of the spiritual things at all. You need to stop teaching your own interpretations. God is the only one who can interpret scriptures and everything I've shown you is directly from God.

    All these scriptures are about the spiritual kingdom of the saints, Jesus and prophets called the Word. This Word used our flesh to speak through and I'm the last saint to exist on this earth for the only reason to end this age.

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    theword:

    You have no understanding of the spiritual things at all.
    You will be held accountable for these Truthes I am witnessing to..it does not matter you cannot understand them..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewordofgod View Post
    I'm right on the money my friend. You're the one avoiding the truth.
    You as many others are deceived..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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