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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Actually, Paul preached three gospels, but let's just look at the two in the book of Romans since that is where we can see two of them. Romans 1:1-4 KJV is the gospel of God, the WHO of Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead.
    The gospel which speaks of the WHO of Jesus Christ is the gospel which Paul preached at Acts 9.

    Agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The gospel which speaks of the WHO of Jesus Christ is the gospel which Paul preached at Acts 9.

    Agree?
    Paul's first order of business in the synagogues was to preach the gospel of God, yes.

    Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

    The first time we see Paul preaching the gospel of Christ recorded in the scripture is Acts 13:38-39 KJV.

    That is the foundation Paul laid = Christ and Him crucified.

    1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Hi BR,

    Actually, Paul preached three gospels, but let's just look at the two in the book of Romans since that is where we can see two of them. Romans 1:1-4 KJV is the gospel of God, the WHO of Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead. This was what the Romans "faith" was in (Romans 1:8 KJV), but not the WHY of the cross/Paul's gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery which was kept secret since the world began, but then at that time/"but now is made manifest,..." (Romans 16:25-26 KJV) that they needed to stablish them into the Body of Christ (the gospel of Christ being the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first and also to the Greek at that time). It's the purpose of Paul's letter unto them.

    Romans 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
    Romans 1:12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.
    Romans 1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
    Romans 1:14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
    Romans 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    Paul's gospel is WHY Christ died. It's declared in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV; how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. It's summarized in Romans 4:25 KJV.
    Isn't the Gospel of Paul the one that appears in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4? And isn't this the same gospel that he speaks of in Galatians 1:12 I do not see how He could have preached more than one gospel when even he says,If anyoneone preached a gospel other than that which he preached, let them be accursed.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Isn't the Gospel of Paul the one that appears in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?
    Yes
    And isn't this the same gospel that he speaks of in Galatians 1:12
    The gospel that he preached "unto" the Galatians as the power of God was the gospel of Christ, yes. Paul's gospel (Galatians 1:3-5 KJV).
    I do not see how He could have preached more than one gospel when even he says,If anyoneone preached a gospel other than that which he preached, let them be accursed.
    If anyone including Paul would have preached any other gospel than that which he preached "unto" the Galatians (as the power of God), let them be accursed. And that is just what was happening. The Galatians were being constrained to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses (Acts 15:5 KJV, Galatians 5:1-3 KJV) which once Paul preached "unto" the Galatians the gospel of Christ which they received the Spirit by the hearing of faith Galatians 3:2 KJV), was a perversion of the gospel of Christ (Galatians 1:7 KJV). None of that negates the fact that Paul preached the gospel of God/the WHO of Jesus Christ before he got to his saving gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV-the gospel of Christ, the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first and also to the Greek Romans 1:16-17 KJV). After all, he was at that time separated unto the gospel of God (Romans 1:1 KJV).

    And please forgive my interruption into your conversation. I have to admit, I don't know what you and Jerry are talking about. I'm not much into reading Jerry as he wrongly divides. I was only responding directly to your statement to address that Paul indeed preached more than one gospel: the gospel of God, the gospel of Christ, the gospel of the grace of God. It can be of help to recognize differences in what Paul preached and to whom and also how it differed from the 12 to Israel. I know that it has been of great help to me as I try to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV.
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Yes The gospel that he preached "unto" the Galatians as the power of God was the gospel of Christ, yes. Paul's gospel (Galatians 1:3-5 KJV). If anyone including Paul would have preached any other gospel than that which he preached "unto" the Galatians (as the power of God), let them be accursed. And that is just what was happening. The Galatians were being constrained to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses (Acts 15:5 KJV, Galatians 5:1-3 KJV) which once Paul preached "unto" the Galatians the gospel of Christ which they received the Spirit by the hearing of faith Galatians 3:2 KJV), was a perversion of the gospel of Christ (Galatians 1:7 KJV). None of that negates the fact that Paul preached the gospel of God/the WHO of Jesus Christ before he got to his saving gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV-the gospel of Christ, the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first and also to the Greek Romans 1:16-17 KJV). After all, he was at that time separated unto the gospel of God (Romans 1:1 KJV).

    And please forgive my interruption into your conversation. I have to admit, I don't know what you and Jerry are talking about. I'm not much into reading Jerry as he wrongly divides. I was only responding directly to your statement to address that Paul indeed preached more than one gospel: the gospel of God, the gospel of Christ, the gospel of the grace of God. It can be of help to recognize differences in what Paul preached and to whom and also how it differed from the 12 to Israel. I know that it has been of great help to me as I try to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV.
    I now understand what you are talking about.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    I'm not much into reading Jerry as he wrongly divides.
    I say that the Jews who lived under the law were saved apart from works by faith alone.

    Do you agree with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    I say that the Jews who lived under the law were saved apart from works by faith alone.

    Do you agree with that?
    Maybe it is time to read Hebrews 11 again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    None of that negates the fact that Paul preached the gospel of God/the WHO of Jesus Christ before he got to his saving gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV-the gospel of Christ, the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first and also to the Greek Romans 1:16-17 KJV). After all, he was at that time separated unto the gospel of God (Romans 1:1 KJV).
    So no one was saved by believing the Who of Jesus Christ despite what we read at 1 John 5:1-5 and John 20:30-31?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So no one was saved by believing the Who of Jesus Christ despite what we read at 1 John 5:1-5 and John 20:30-31?
    Jerry, We are saved by believing in the Gospel as given by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. You do believe this don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Jerry, We are saved by believing in the Gospel as given by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. You do believe this don't you?
    Yes, I believe that. But were not the Jews who lived under the law saved when they were born again by believing that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (1 Jn.5:1-5)?

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