that group doesnt need to represent mainstream america. because they do not does not mean they are automatically racists or incorrect/invalid in their arguement.
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Is this guy with the nazi armband deplorable?
We know Trump certainly has not labeled him as such. We also know that one of Trump's base said this ...
“I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists,” David Duke
Why do you suppose he doesn't address Duke ... personally? He has no problem screeching on about Dems, Clinton, Republicans, Obama, China, NK, the news media, celebrities ... the only person and group he hasn't called out is Russia ... and white nationalists.
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Just plain incredible but totally expected.
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Has he changed his mind?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/politics/domestic-terrorism-sessions.html
as another poster describes, the protest dealt with removal of a u.s. monument to robert e lee. that is not a rally to unite and that is not automatically a far right event.
again, i notioned to understanding political platform. socialism is not " political right or far right." therefor there are multiple groups and peoples at the rallies. and there are at both sides of this arguement.
yes there were racists at rally of that day, but there were others who did not stand with white supremists though believing the statue should stay.
and in the neo nazi groups and kkk there may be those who out right disgust the actions of the individual they happened to been standing next to.
the video showing the collision was shot by a white woman who was being yelled at for being a bigot prior to that incident. she walked away from a group that wanted to force her out.
there were many people of different ideals present. some just recording events as they occured.
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this is a good point to follow for someone taking a neutral position on the matter. news isnt aleays correct.
my news stationed showed a man being beaten by a group wearing all black and claiming he was attacked by nationalists. this was their part to say how racism has grown in U.S. however. the full video on youtube shows that the men were actually antifa .. a group of socialists and anarchists.
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Violence is not balanced. it progresses and continues to foster more violence that is extended beyond past violent act.
This shouldnt make us abscent minded to idiocy and wrong doing by all groups. We should not refrain ourselves from criticising more than just the white nationalists.
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1. not saying a direct word does not come to " he loves us" think logically right? so whom ever said that is ignorant and incorrect.Not to mention that message boards aren't how people are connecting and communicating in great numbers these days. Where the numbers are is in social media, and those platforms operate differently. Twitter has private rooms where they can congregate, and a look at the Twitter hashtag UniteTheRight or AltRight is more than enlightening. So while a certain website will get traffic (although I've seen one domain is being yanked after they called the young woman killed in Charlottesville a string of pejoratives), organization is being done in large part through much faster-acting venues than message boards.
Check out the poster artwork on Twitter here, along with the hashtags and a list of people/orgs involved:
And regarding private rooms:
How a network of little-known Twitter “rooms” helps die-hard fans amplify Trump’s message, attack CNN, and spread #MAGA to the world.
I've watched as the right has tried to distance itself from this, and it's pathetic. Its a 'conspiracy to effect a coup against Trump,' it's a 'false flag,' It's the 'deep state trying to discredit the right by planting fake alt-righters amongst them,' and on and on. They're filled with hate, they're empowered by Trump, and they want to pretend they're just being good 'patriots.' The only ones they're deceiving are themselves.
The white supremacist response to Trump's unwillingness to put blame on the alt-right white supremacists:
Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us.
He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate… on both sides!
So he implied the antifa are haters.
There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.
He said he loves us all.
Also refused to answer a question about White Nationalists supporting him.
No condemnation at all.
When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room.
Really, really good.
God bless him.
2. there are multiple sides and groups at play. condemn them all for their violence. not just one side for some of their violence.
3. hashtags are used by anyone. that doesnt really demonstrate a role of thumb for everyone.
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I think it's important to distinguish between tactics and aim. The aim of the Nazi lovers is vile. Opposing that in principle is virtuous. Choosing the wrong means to oppose it may invite reasoned censure, but it doesn't invite the suggestion of moral equivalence.
Apparently not. Yahoo has amended. So that's some hope. :thumb:
wow. one guy in a group of people. wearing a hat ive seen some steal. I dont know what that guy believes and i do not wish to guess at it. its a picture which can tell a thousand lies with the truth.Is this guy with the nazi armband deplorable?
We know Trump certainly has not labeled him as such. We also know that one of Trump's base said this ...
“I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists,” David Duke
Why do you suppose he doesn't address Duke ... personally? He has no problem screeching on about Dems, Clinton, Republicans, Obama, China, NK, the news media, celebrities ... the only person and group he hasn't called out is Russia ... and white nationalists.
2. trump like me probably doesnt know who that is. i doubt trump seen him.
3. this doesnt negate the fact that not all people voted for trump are white or racist. ive seen plenty of black citizens wear same red hat. wear rebel flags. this isnt cut and dry. not cut down the center.
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He's certainly a walking contradiction. How are our former mortal enemies, the Nazi's, going to 'make America great again'?
:mock: American Nazi's
ok doser
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Maybe he thinks it's a navajo peace symbol :idunno:
Hat?
lain: So, you are unable or unwilling to say that the guy wearing a nazi sign is deplorable? Those he is with don't see it as deplorable.
Their goal is to .... Make America White Again.
ok doser
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The nazi's were more the mortal enemies of france and england and russia, to be honest
So you're suggesting the crowd that doesn't appear to be concerned with his presence may be tolerating a thief as well?
You don't have to guess. He's wearing his heart on his sleeve.
You know what should distinguish truth from a lie? Reason. Not desire. So the apparent truth is before you. The question is what reason do you have to doubt it?
Completely true. It only underscores the open comfort level of those who supported him who are. And that suggests something. To some it may be as simple as their voting for his skin color. But how likely is that?
Depends on what you mean by "this."
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It's an example of a mentality at play.
Is that what most likely happened here or are you simply playing incredulous?We know two things that he believes, don't we?
Whoa, that's deep. What lies does it tell with the truth? Any examples?
What is the significance as to whether Trump personally knows all of his Nazi supporters? It's the reason why they choose to support him in the first place, and why they support him so vehemently that is up for discussion.
I doubt Jim Jones knew all of his followers.
Just as this tidbit doesn't negate the fact that many are indeed, racist.
This is just hand waving. "These aren't the droids you're looking for".
Yep. David Duke tweeted to Trump to think about who made him president. Clearly he did, and so failed to condemn the republican Nazi white racist who killed that woman.
Stupid move I think. Yes, he could not have won without the support of those people. But if he had shifted left after the election, he would have gotten a large number of moderate republicans who would have more than replaced the Alt-right supporters.
From The Guardian, no less.[/QUOTE]
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Who were America's mortal enemies during WWII? Are you defending American Nazi's or...?
ok doser
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We chose to make germany our enemy
Japan chose to make us their enemy
Nope
They're stupid people playing stupid people tricks
Since this dint even get a mention on the cbc, i don't really care :idunno:
I can imagine how the US msm is playing this up, seeing as how the ghettos have been quiet this summer
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