ARCHIVE: apology for the manner of my attack on Bob Enyart

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ShadowMaid said:
I just have a question... if I get a cut on my figer and it bleeds, and then it heals. Is my finger damaged?
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temporarily damaged. but that is unintentional. come on shadowmaid, you're smarter than this.

Gosh, this is all useless!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been drawn out for my final round, but I give up. That doesn't mean I agree, but I'm not pressing this anymore. I'd have more luck getting water from a stone.
 

ShadowMaid

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The Edge said:
:bang:
temporarily damaged. but that is unintentional. come on shadowmaid, you're smarter than this.

Gosh, this is all useless!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been drawn out for my final round, but I give up. That doesn't mean I agree, but I'm not pressing this anymore. I'd have more luck getting water from a stone.

You don't have to get so emotionally angry. I was merely asking a calm question.

I'm just wanted to know your opinion on this.
 

SOTK

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The Edge said:
SOTK, we're playing with words. Bruises, welts, bleeding is wrong. A red sting is ok; it's like getting hit in the face with a racquetball; it stings a lot for a few minutes and then fades. Yes spankings are supposed to hurt, but not damage. They are supposed to teach.

I think it is you who is playing with words, The Edge. That's been my point with these questions. No offense.

The Edge said:
not to judge him, but to question him, to look very carefully at what a man like him says before buying wholeheartedly into it.

I agree! :up: There is nothing wrong with questioning any pastor or religious leader. I have questioned my own Pastor. Before I became a member of my church, I investigated some of the literature the church was using. That's a good thing!

Listen, I have never read anything by Bob Enyart (books), have never heard any of his shows, and have never attended any of his sermons. Basically, I don't know too much about him except from what I've heard by some of his friends here at TOL and a few posts of his. That's it. I'm not sure if I agree with everything I've heard either, but I would never think to pass judgement on him. I don't know enough to do that. In reference to the spanking incident, I haven't had the opportunity to ask him personally about it. Because of this and the fact that I know how our society is regarding us Christians, I don't have the right to judge him or anybody else in his shoes.

My point(s) about all of this is to try to get you to see how easy it is for us Christians to be persecuted when it comes to spanking or just about anything for that matter. We are hated and despised by society. What happened to Bob, could happen to me, to you, and to any Christian.
 

Mr. 5020

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ShadowMaid said:
You don't have to get so emotionally angry. I was merely asking a calm question.

I'm just wanted to know your opinion on this.
Your "calm" questions are typically very sarcastic and insulting.
 

PureX

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Edge, why are you still bantering with these people? All you're doing is providing them with an object for their bile. It's like a pack of wild dogs, if you just stop posting they'll start chewing on each other, or they'll go lay down in the corner and fall back asleep.
 

Delmar

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Knight, Turbo - never seen that spin, too bad there's no corroborating evidence for it. No response to my questions either, and since Deardelmar seems to have lost interest, I'll make my final point.

IMHO, Enyart was lucky to get off as lightly as he did. If the boyfriend of my estranged wife (or ex-wife) did that to my seven year old son, I'm not sure I would bother calling the cops. I think I would be more inclined to deal with him myself. What do scriptures say about protecting your family ?
I havn't lost intrest, I work for a living do you mind!
 

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Well, I would not go as far as to say Shadowmaid is "insulting" but she is tough ;)

Shadowmaid I am not angry at all. Frustrated at times but not angry at all! I don't hold grudges. Pefect example, I still have my hand extended for Erinmarie, when by this point I could tear her to pieces for not only attacking me but opening me up to be subjected to this contiuous Enyartian torture. ;)

I started reading the Battle Royale 7.....interesting stuff.

Anyway, I guess it's time to stop feeding the beasts.

I predict a Columbia House style post in the near future.....you know those "We want you back" mails they send after you fulfill your commitment and quit the club? "Come back, and we'll give you 15 CD's for the price of 1!"

"Come back, and you can be debated by 10 Enyart supporters for the price of 5!!!!" LOL!!!!!!!! Hey, If I get a friend to join, will you throw in 4 free Enyart supporters!?!??!?!?" LOLOLOL!!!!

Sorry, gotta have some fun. You know I'll be back. I always come back. I must have fallen for the Columbia House trick 9 or 10 times throughout my life, before I had to start paying REAL bills.

It was fun. I enjoyed it actually. Sharpened my skills....my posting skills, my typing skills. They like people with good skills....bowstaff skills, nunchuck skills, etc.
 
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[subliminal message]Knight...Ahem...post 111 in the other thread....ahem....all my previous posts....ahem....[/subliminal message]
 

drbrumley

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PureX said:
Edge, why are you still bantering with these people? All you're doing is providing them with an object for their bile. It's like a pack of wild dogs, if you just stop posting they'll start chewing on each other, or they'll go lay down in the corner and fall back asleep.
Did ImpureX say something?
 

Caille

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PureX said:
Edge, why are you still bantering with these people? All you're doing is providing them with an object for their bile. It's like a pack of wild dogs, if you just stop posting they'll start chewing on each other, or they'll go lay down in the corner and fall back asleep.


I dunno, it was more fun watching them chew on each other when Sozo was here - he could really get them riled up....
 

PureX

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Caille said:
I dunno, it was more fun watching them chew on each other when Sozo was here - he could really get them riled up....
Don't get me wrong, I like a good debate as much as the next guy, but this wasn't a debate. This was just a few bullies smelling blood and trying to make a ridiculous altercation escalate.
 

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I didn't really watch what happened with Sozo. There seemed to be a problem between him and Zakath though, from what little I saw.
 

Caille

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Knight said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but I do not read all the posts on TOL. So I do not know what questions of yours have gone "unanswered" and I am really am not sure what your link is referencing.... so maybe we should just start from scratch eh?


OK - I'll make it easier


Let's just remove the veil of ambiguity and springboard ourselves into the wonderful world of clarity. Fair enough?

Give me an issue that you disagree with.... let's start with just one issue so we can tackle it in the proper way. Deal?


How about this one?
I believe Bob's approach as detailed here http://www.theologyonline.com/forum...ead.php?t=12416 is in error, specifically that it comes very close to violating the ninth commandment



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There is coloring and then there is coloring

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Bob Enyart takes the art of spin-doctoring to a new level. In spite of his nominal obeisance to Christian norms of honesty, he does not hesitate to use severe exaggeration and outright lies to carry his points. A classic example was over the course of two shows late in 2001. On Dec 28 2001, in a show entitled “Signer Barney Franklin”, starting at 31 minutes into the show, he brings up an incident that occurred a few years prior on one of his radio broadcasts. As he tells it, some elementary students in the Jefferson School district were given an assignment to color an explicit drawing of a naked man’s genitalia. This came to the attention of one of the parents of a student, who passed the picture to Bob. Bob decided to send it to Pat Schroeder, a Colorado congresswoman. He says he initially faxed the picture to her office with a request for her to color it, much as the students were being asked to do. He then tells of a phone call that he got almost immediately from her office asking what was going on.

The exact dialogue from that show is interesting. Starting at 34 minutes and 50 seconds into the show – this is what Bob said:
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I just sit down in the studio and start to open the show and the phone rings, and it’s some worker at Pat Schroeder’s office, I think his name is Kip. Kip is on the phone, and Kip is really mad. And he wants to know - he is just beside himself – and he wants to know – “Who, who sent this to us, did you” - and you could tell that he – “I just want to, I just want to confirm that you sent this to us.”

And he wants to call the police and charge me with making an obscene phone call to a congresswoman’s office over the FAX lines.

So he was really angry. And he just got the information he wanted, and just before he hung up, I explained where we got the picture. And you could tell that sort of deflated his anger. Because what he thought was pornographic at one moment, that was a crime, being sent from a radio station to a governing official, that was so despicable and obscene and enraged him - and all of a sudden it was being given to girls and boys in the fourth grade, well that is perfectly acceptable.

Kip just in case you are listening out there somewhere in the world, you are a blithering idiot, you are a moron, you are a piece of human waste. What an idiot.

Note the following very specific claims that Bob made:

Kip is really mad

He is just beside himself

He wants to call the police and charge Bob with making an obscene phone call using the FAX

He was really angry

He changed from thinking the picture was vulgar to OK

He is a blithering idiot

He is a moron

He is a piece of human waste

In the next show, on 31 Dec, 2001, titled “CSMAHON at Eathlink.net”, he chooses to actually play the recording of that event. Starting at 1 minute and 30 seconds into that show, he discusses the recording he is about to play.

I strongly recommend you listen to the clip itself. It starts at 3 minutes and 30 seconds into the 31 Dec 2001 show. Listen to both the exact dialogue, and especially the tone of the representative (Kip) from Pat’s office.

Following is the full dialogue from Kip (the representative from Pat’s office), and the dialogue from Bob:
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BE: Hello, hello

Kip: Hi, are you there?

BE: Yes, this is Bob Enyart, host of Speak Your Mind on KQXI radio. I just, uh, I am on the air right now, and I just got the message that you guys had called in for me.

Kip: I am just calling to confirm, did you in fact send us this fax?

BE: Yes I did, I was wondering if Pat Schroeder could maybe color that in and then call me to chat about it.

Kip: What does that mean - color it in?

BE: Well if she could take like a crayon, or maybe even a neon crayon, and could color it in and she could stay within the lines, and then call in and talk about the experience.

Kip: Ok, that is the purpose for my call, just to clarify and confirm that you sent this.

BE: Ok, could I just ask your name?

Kip: Sure, my name is Kip.

BE: Kip, and just to let you know where we got that, we got that from the Jefferson County School District – they hand that out to the kids I think in 5th grade, and they have them sit in little groups of boys and girls, and color it in together

Kip: The teachers hand this out?

BE: Yes the teachers hand this out, and they have the girls color in that - that is drawing of a guy spread eagled, you can see everything there. And they have the kids sit in groups of boys and girls and color it, and during the course of the class the teacher says the word penis about 20 something times according to the manual. Some of the parents are like up in arms about this, because it looks gross, it looks far beyond what you need to do to teach a kid about sexual reproduction, and I thought Pat Schroeder as a Federal Representative should know what our Federal tax dollars are going for.

Kip: Thanks Bob for letting us know.

Nowhere in the recording does Kip raise his voice. Throughout he sounds very professional, and the most pronounced emotion he shows is slight surprise at finding the picture was being handed out by teachers. He made no threats, no hint that he was going to call the police, no hint of anger in his voice.

Compare the actual dialogue and see how many of the claims Bob made the week before against Kip were true. Really mad? Beside himself? Wants to charge Bob? Angry? Changed his mind about the picture? Blithering idiot? Moron? Human waste?

A lot of these attributes may be applicable, but not to Kip. They belong to the man who levied them and then professes to be a minister of God.

It may be that the incident of the schools issuing inappropriate coloring material for sex education was true, but in light of the blatant misrepresentation of the interaction with Kip, I am certainly not going to blithely think that the story as Bob tells it is free from exaggeration or outright fabrication.



Maybe the best the best thing to do is when you return to TOL start a new thread titled something like....
"Hey Knight you are wrong about such and such, or wrong about so and so."



I'd love to, but as a newbie posting with dial-up (from my folks (freezing !!) basement) I'm embarrassed to admit I can't figure out how to start a new thread. Can't even get the embarrassed smiley to insert without deleting everything I've banged out so far.

Then we can see if it leads us anywhere. :cool:



Currently my main focus is on our "Edgeian" since he is the one attempting to make the most noise but I will gladly entertain you as well.



Knock yourself out - Edge needs no help from me.
 
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Caille

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:doh: Bob didn't repent of his child abuse because IT WASN'T child abuse!!!

You still don't get it do you?

Spanking your children isn't a crime! Only left wing wacko's think it is a crime and that is the side you have taken.



Who gets to decide whether the line between discipline and abuse has been crossed ? The perpetrator ?
 
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Nathon Detroit

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[subliminal message]Knight...Ahem...post 111 in the other thread....ahem....all my previous posts....ahem....[/subliminal message]
So... I take all that time to compose a response and you going to just ignore it???? :nono:
 
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