A Politically Incorrect Look At Marxism and Its Role In 2016-2017

northwye

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A Politically Incorrect Look At Transformational Marxism and Its Role In 2016-2017

Marxism arrived partly out of the French Revolution. One influence upon Marx was from Hegel, with his dialectics, and another influence was from the Jacobins, who were the most radical and murderous faction to come out of the French Revolution.

In 1793, during the French Revolution the Jacobin leaders began the Reign of Terror. Under Robespierre, who took over the Revolution. The Jacobins used the Terror of the guillotine not only against counterrevolutionaries, but also against former Jacobins, and Jacobins themselves, Finally, Robespierre was overthrown in 1794, but the spirit of the Jacobins lived on in Marxism.

Marx first got into politics as a young radical intellectual in the movement called the Left Hegelians or Young Hegelians. Remember that Hegel had brought the Greek philosophy of the διαλεκτική, or dialectic, before the time of Christ, into modern philosophy.

What is now called Identity Politics came down from the Political Correctness doctrine which grew out of the Frankfurt School's interest in anti-semitism, and then expanded into the study of the traits of the Authoritarian Personality which Theodore Adorno claimed cause fascism. Adorno said that Biblical Christianity and the family cause fascism and both must be done away with.

The Left of 2016-2017 and the Democratic Party centered its propaganda program and politics on Identity Politics - making use of slogans of racism, sexism, homophobia and Islamic phobia. The Marxist Left and the Democratic Party under Hillery, John Podesta and Obama thought they could win the 2016 election by use of Identity Politics - leading voters to focus on or make outstanding in perception racism, sexism, etc and separatist minorities – women, LGBTQ, Blacks and Hispanics. They also believed they could get by with vote scams of several types. But their scams did not all work and their identity politics may have turned off the largest block of voters, the lower middle class workers.

The 2016 Democratic Party under Hillary, Podesta and Obama divided the voters by minority status, rather than uniting them, by talking more about creating jobs, while apparently Podesta encouraged Blacks to accuse Bernie Sanders supporters of bringing attention away from racism. The Leftists of 2016 ran a dumbed down campaign, which they thought would bring them victory in a period of time in which our economy had been losing jobs for some time.

Abolishment of the Culture of the Individual In Marxism - An extreme form of radicalism in Marxism - in part from the Jacobins in the French Revolution - inspired Marxism to try to overthrow the culture supporting the individual - and Frankfurt School Marxists came to identity the foundations of that culture as being Biblical Christianity and the family. So Marxism as a radical ideology seeks to overthrow Biblical Christianity and the strong Western family.

The Marxist Bolshevik quick violent takeover of Russia in 1917 resulted in an attack upon all forms of Christianity in Russia and also an attack upon the family.

The strong family raises us up physically as individuals and helps us develop unique individuals. Jesus Christ and his Gospel raises us up spiritually as individuals and helps us develop spiritually as individuals..

".....that mystery, hid since the world began, and since the beginning of generations: But now is opened to his saints, 27 to whom God would make known the glorious riches of this mystery among the gentiles, which riches is Christ in you, the hope of glory," Colossians 1: 26-27

"Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus:" Philippians 2: 5

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is absolute truth, and it must be believed as being absolute truth, by the faith which is mentioned in Galatians 3. There is no more .chosen people by a physical bloodline, as is shown in Galatians 3.

But man in his spiritual condition of the natural man of I Corinthians 2: 14 does not discern the things of the Spirit, for example, the absolute truth of the Word of God. Man, as Marxist, for example, sets up a dialectical opposition to the absolute truth of God's word. and argues against that absolute truth. A Marxist, if he really is a Marxist, does not accept God's word as absolute truth in faith. He argues against that truth, which can be called the thesis, with his anti-thesis., something which Paul in I Timothy 6: 20-21 warns us not to do.

The key part in Greek says "και αντιθεσεις της ψευδωνυμου γνωσεως,or "and anti-thesis of falsely called knowledge."

αντιθεσεις, or anti-thesis, is a technical term in the early Greek philosophy of the διαλεκτική, or dialectic, before the time of Christ.
In the dialectic, there is a direct opposition between the thesis and the anti-thesis.

Marxism begins from that dialectic which in Greek philosophy before the time of Christ was a procedure for making arguments and counter arguments by use of a thesis and its opposition or anti-thesis. The dialectic is in appearance a formal way of making arguments. But remember that Paul says in I Timothy 6: 20-21 that the dialectic produces "falsely called knowledge." The tactics of argument do not necessarily, in the dialectic, deal with what is true, but often what appears to be an argument or a tactic of discrediting the opponent.

"In the eyes of the dialectical philosophy, nothing is established for
all time, nothing is absolute or sacred." (Karl Marx)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis...sis,_synthesis

"Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820-1895) adopted and extended the triad, especially in Marx's The Poverty of Philosophy (1847). Here, in Chapter 2, Marx is obsessed by the word "thesis". It can be said to form an important part of the basis for the Marxist theory..."

Remember that the young Marx as a radical intellectual embraced a Leftist Hegelian movement, based upon Hegel's bringing the Greek philosophy of the διαλεκτική, or dialectic, into modern philosophy. In the dialectic the first position, called the thesis, is argued against by an opposite position, called the anti-thesis. Though not understood by many, this paradigm has somehow come to be used in a great deal of discourse now in all the instittions of society.

"Once the earthly family is discovered to be the secret of the
heavenly family, the former must be destroyed (annihilated), in theory
and in practice." Karl Marx, Feuerbach Thesis #4

Marxism in its many forms seeks to diminish and eventually do away with both the family and Biblical Christianity, because both the family and Biblical Christianity support the unique individual. Marxism seeks to set up a totalitarian world government and a collectivist society, where the individual is not valued as unique as in Christ's Gospel and in the family within a Christian culture. One of the founders of the Frankfurt School of Transformational Marxism, Georg Lukacs, talked about "Abolishment of Culture." Lukacs knew that Christianity had created a dominant culture in the West which made the individual important and that culture saw each individual as being unique, to be honored as such.

Marxism had to get rid of that Christian - and family based - culture which made the individual outstanding, and replace it by a collectivist group oriented culture. Marxism - Transformational Marxism - had to reduce the spiritual power of the Christian Gospel in order to bring in a collectivist group-centered culture.

“The individual accepts the new system of values and beliefs by
accepting belongingness to the group.” Kurt Lewin in Kenneth Benne
Human Relations in Curriculum Change
 
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Give me a break, Nothwye ! There is nothing even remotely "Marxist " or communist about the Democratic party or any of its members in America .
What makes you think the Democrats are trying to "attack and destroy " the family in America, abolish private property etc ? You are a typical deluded and clueless right-wing American .
In fact, the Democrats are trying to STRENGTHEN the family in America by providing good health care for all Americans . They are trying to fight poverty and unemployment in America by improving our public schools and making college affordable .
And what has the Democratic party done to "attack" Christianity in America ? Absolutely nothing .
Every Christian in America is still free to attend church and worship as they choose . In fact, the vast majority of Democrats in congress and around America ARE Christians .
Tell me, how many churches has the Democratic party shut down and destroyed ? How many preachers and Catholic priests has it arrested and imprisoned or expected ? Zero. And don't tell me they're planning to do this once they "get power", because this is an asinine notion .
Marxists and communists are opposed to stock markets , yet under our "Marxist " president Obama, it boomed as never before .
How many US corporations have the Democrats shut down and nationalized so far ? Not a single one . I'm sorry, you've been hoodwinked by right-wing propaganda .
 

northwye

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At what point in time did the corporate and financial elite began to make use of he Marxist Left to help them rule the people? Certainly we were not aware of this going on during the sixties and seventies. But it did happen. It happened gradually and became more evident in the mid to late nineties with the administration of the Clintons. By the time Obama got in office the use of the Marxist Left by the ruling elite was very clear. Otherwise he would not have been elected. Had it not been for the Clintons and for Obama the Alternative Media would not have risen to power and influence and Trump would not have become President.

The Patriot-Populist short-wave broadcaster movement of the nineties which was the beginning of the Alternative Media was created by the behavior of Bill and Hillary. Bill Clinton a Leftist, was used by the financial and corporate elite to rule the people. There were smaller indications of a Patriot-Populist movement in Goldwater and then in Ron Paul. But that was not popular enough to result in what happened in the 2016 election, which was a strong reaction against the Marxist Left and the start of an awakening to the threats of the financial and corporate ruling elite.

The ruling elite did take over to a great extent the Marxist Left movement, and so in the two Bill Clinton administrations and in the two Obama administrations, both under the Democratic party a Bolshevik kind of Marxism was not going on and the playbook for the two administrations did not make use of all the goals of Marx in Das Kapital. Free enterprise Capitalism was replaced to some extent then by Monopoly Capitalism, so that a huge number of small businesses were driven out of business. But Capitalism was not totally overthrown.

The Playbook for Bill Clinton - and Obama to some extent - came out of the Marxism of the Frankfurt School which at first mixed Marx with Freud and later made use of some of the social engineers of American Personality and Social Psychology, something which only a few have understood, such as Dean Gotcher. They were interested in changing the culture at that time more than totally overthrowing the Capitalist system. In fact, they would have been resisted had they tried to totally overthrow capitalism. as long as the older American culture was still in place, and it still is to some extent especially among many in the lower middle class.

What was called the New Left during the sixties and seventies came out of Marxism. Many of the campus leaders of the New Left then had family and other ties to older American Marxists and Communists, going back to the thirties.. But the Counterculture of the sixties especially was not as Marxist as the New Left which eventually blended in with that other "Left" of the Counterculture.

There was a Beat Poet and Art Bohemian "Left-leaning" influence on the Counterculture during the Sixties. There was also the LSD Drug movement with its interest in Far Eastern Religions at the start of the Counterculture in 1962. None of these movements was especially Marxist, in the sense of being politically radical, wanting to get rid of Christianity and the family or making use of the Marxist version of the Hegelian dialectic in arguments.

The dialectic within and allied with Marxism is very important and interesting. The dialectic has become a game, as it is seen being used by the mainstream media and by some within Christianity who argue against the Gospel, many of these who argue against the Gospel are dispensationalists.

"I'm sorry, you've been hoodwinked by right-wing propaganda." This is part of that dialectic game. The statement is not a substantive argument against the country being now divided by what can be identified by the Marxist Left, under some control by the ruling elite. The statement is an attack upon the individual making an argument, not a valid counter argument, because it does not bring up facts regarding that division of the country, nor does it define Marxism.
 

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Give me a break, Nothwye ! There is nothing even remotely "Marxist " or communist about the Democratic party or any of its members in America .
What makes you think the Democrats are trying to "attack and destroy " the family in America, abolish private property etc ? You are a typical deluded and clueless right-wing American .
:chew:
You think like modern day television.
 
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