JESUS IS NOT YHWH
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Who has ascended and descended the heavens: Who has gathered the wind in His fists: Who has bound the waters in a garment: Who has established all the ends of the earth: What is His Name? And what is the name of His Son if you know?
I apologize for my absence on this thread, I haven't received a single notification in the last few days for some reason, and they were pretty spotty before that. I think the TOL Android app is broken. I doubt I'll be able to catch up here, but I'll try...
"Honorary," my foot.
It says that Matthias was chosen by lot. Later on, Paul is said to have been chosen, not by lot, but by hand, by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Paul went on the write almost half the New Testament, and as for this Matthias fellow; we never hear from or about him again. You figure it out.
What fun is that?
The "RCC" wouldn't have begun at all, if not for rebellious Christians such as yourself who broke communion with the Church. "RCC" is necessary only because of wounds to Church unity, which she has endured for centuries now, and which she would prefer would just heal up.
When did Jehovah's Witnesses begin? Not during the lives of the Apostles. :nono:
Then it's a good thing I don't do that.
Correct!
There's only One Church.
Never. Nope. Made up.
False dilemma. The men I believe are in Sacred Scripture.
The Lord Jesus Himself called Paul "a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel." He didn't say that about this Matthias fellow. Lots don't talk.
Suit yourself! I'll stick with what the Bible says, and believe that instead. 1st Timothy 3:15 (KJV)
Good, I'm glad you acknowledge this.
What else does it say about him?
Correct.
And? Luke wrote Acts, and he definitely wasn't one of the twelve Apostles.
So did Matthias just simply stop being an apostle? We don't hear much about the other of the twelve apostles either, does that mean they were no longer apostles too?
Nope. Whatever that means, Nope.
They are the whole ("catholic") Church's, not just mine. If you are an individual member of the Church, they are your popes, cardinals, bishops as well.
'Got a problem with your mother, do you?
Yes, Peter, for instance, in his capacity as the supreme pastor of the Church, during the single longest papal reign since the Church began, added to the Christian Bible, explicitly, all of Paul's letters. 2nd Peter 3:15-16 (KJV) And no pope has altered Sacred Scripture since then.
You're a whacked conspiracy theorist for thinking so.
Manifestly false.
I beat everyone over the head, who claims to believe and follow the Bible, with the Bible.
The elders of the Church (in the Bible!) are the official teachers of the Church.
False. And if the Church is a "cult," then she is the only true cult, ordained by the Lord Jesus Himself, built by Him, upon His Apostles (Eph2:20KJV).
:idunno: Whatever.
We're going down your road here, not mine. If you have a hard time of it, pick another road.
Why do you think I'm having a hard time of understanding what I personally believe? I'm asking you questions based on what you've said, attempting to follow it to it's logical conclusion.
So I ask again:
^^^ About Matthias.
My question being, "does writing part of the New Testament and/or being mentioned in the writings of the New Testament make one an Apostle, or is there another mechanism that makes one an Apostle?
Was Matthias no longer an apostle, or was he still an apostle even after Paul was appointed by God?
Is there a difference between being appointed by God and appointed by the other Apostles?
Yes, there is another mechanism, and the means of that mechanism are not in Scripture explicitly, and obviously so, since we have two accounts of a Twelfth Apostle, only one of which is actually the Twelfth; Paul.
Again, we never hear from Matthias again in Sacred Scripture after Acts 1, while Paul is featured prominently in the whole second half of Acts, and wrote almost half the New Testament. Anybody not caught up in a dispensational mental whirlwind can see this clearly, hint.
I don't care, and nobody else who isn't a dispensationalist, cares either. We've got our Twelve, it's you who has to conjecture conspiracy theories to explain away the obvious.
KingdomRose
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To Rev, re. post #1010.....
Unfortunately I cannot agree with your view that Jesus is YHWH. I would like your re-assessment after you have read, at least, the OP. Jesus was sent in the name of the Father, but that doesn't mean that he IS the Father. John 8:58 is telling us no such thing (that he is El Shaddai, YHWH). A further study of that verse will show that Jesus was not using terrible grammar (using past tense and present tense in the same sentence to explain who he is), but was speaking as many other people did when they said the same thing: ego eimi, such as the blind man in the next chapter. If what Jesus said (ego eimi showed him to be God, then the blind man is also God.
Many of these points have already been discussed. Perhaps you would benefit from reading a few of the posts.
Unfortunately I cannot agree with your view that Jesus is YHWH. I would like your re-assessment after you have read, at least, the OP. Jesus was sent in the name of the Father, but that doesn't mean that he IS the Father. John 8:58 is telling us no such thing (that he is El Shaddai, YHWH). A further study of that verse will show that Jesus was not using terrible grammar (using past tense and present tense in the same sentence to explain who he is), but was speaking as many other people did when they said the same thing: ego eimi, such as the blind man in the next chapter. If what Jesus said (ego eimi showed him to be God, then the blind man is also God.
Many of these points have already been discussed. Perhaps you would benefit from reading a few of the posts.
KingdomRose
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The individual letters do NOT mean "Behold the nail, Behold the hand." Where do you get that translation? I've never heard that.
If you want to know what "YHWH" really means, this site is helpful:
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/jehovah-meaning-of-gods-name/#?insight[search_id]=5852194e-f483-4993-9225-0274
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Metaphysical insights considered beyond all the religious opining.......
Metaphysical insights considered beyond all the religious opining.......
Just a snippet, but thought to throw a little spice into the pot - I agree with some points of Bart Ehrman regarding Christological history and developments, but not all conclusions. - but Bart holds court here
On both ends of a spectrum, or somewhere in the kaladioscope, it becomes a matter of terms and meanings lost in translation or redefined/re-arranged,...so that no matter how you slice or dice it,...Jesus is both NOT Yahweh and IS Yahweh (his representative and/or representation), choose whatever view floats your boat, from more fundamental Unitarian or Trinitarian perspectives, and all views inbetween and beyond. (knock yourself out).
I don't think 'Real God' is so concerned about a conceptual theorem or fine tuned 'Christological formula' as he is your inward spiritual development, character and quality of being that you can be, in your communion with Him, in service to life. That might be a fundamental issue one considers in their 'theology'...for starters.
All this is still an adventure, an exploration of Universal MIND engaging in an infinite unfolding of itself in space and time (There is one primal Consciousness, ever inter-preting itself thru a matrix of concepts). Jesus is ever the image (logos), reflection, representation, expression, extension, form, revelation, of 'God', which is the Universal Father-Source, the origin and Progenitor of all. Nothing surpasses the Primacy of the Universal Father, no-thing or no-one, no matter how close in nature, character or substance a
'begotten' being is to the Begetter. Out of the Original Infinite Essence of DEITY, all is derived, born, created, brought into existence. These first principles hold, even from a theosophical perspective.
We further remind readers of the concept of 'agency', which the Messiah-Son serves in his divine capacity, AS he serves as God's AGENT. ('God' is the source of all power, identity, agency, authority, knowledge, personality, etc.) :thumb: - the 'agent' of the 'Sender' goes forth with the power and authority of the 'Sender', anointed by the Sender's Spirit, a 7-fold anointing.
No matter how you humanize or deify the person of Jesus, he is still Yahweh's AGENT, his anointed messenger, prophet, the one who reveals 'God'.
Metaphysical insights considered beyond all the religious opining.......
Just a snippet, but thought to throw a little spice into the pot
- I agree with some points of Bart Ehrman regarding Christological history and developments, but not all conclusions. - but Bart holds court here On both ends of a spectrum, or somewhere in the kaladioscope, it becomes a matter of terms and meanings lost in translation or redefined/re-arranged,...so that no matter how you slice or dice it,...Jesus is both NOT Yahweh and IS Yahweh (his representative and/or representation), choose whatever view floats your boat, from more fundamental Unitarian or Trinitarian perspectives, and all views inbetween and beyond. (knock yourself out).
I don't think 'Real God' is so concerned about a conceptual theorem or fine tuned 'Christological formula' as he is your inward spiritual development, character and quality of being that you can be, in your communion with Him, in service to life. That might be a fundamental issue one considers in their 'theology'...for starters.
All this is still an adventure, an exploration of Universal MIND engaging in an infinite unfolding of itself in space and time (There is one primal Consciousness, ever inter-preting itself thru a matrix of concepts). Jesus is ever the image (logos), reflection, representation, expression, extension, form, revelation, of 'God', which is the Universal Father-Source, the origin and Progenitor of all. Nothing surpasses the Primacy of the Universal Father, no-thing or no-one, no matter how close in nature, character or substance a
'begotten' being is to the Begetter. Out of the Original Infinite Essence of DEITY, all is derived, born, created, brought into existence. These first principles hold, even from a theosophical perspective.
We further remind readers of the concept of 'agency', which the Messiah-Son serves in his divine capacity, AS he serves as God's AGENT. ('God' is the source of all power, identity, agency, authority, knowledge, personality, etc.) :thumb: - the 'agent' of the 'Sender' goes forth with the power and authority of the 'Sender', anointed by the Sender's Spirit, a 7-fold anointing.
No matter how you humanize or deify the person of Jesus, he is still Yahweh's AGENT, his anointed messenger, prophet, the one who reveals 'God'.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
One means one.........
One means one.........
Basic Unitarian Monotheism as revealed in the scriptures, a snippet by Anthony F Buzzard. Its a view FULLY supported by 'scriptures', for those who demand such support, as held by Jesus and his original apostles. Don't forget the Shema
One means one.........
Basic Unitarian Monotheism as revealed in the scriptures, a snippet by Anthony F Buzzard. Its a view FULLY supported by 'scriptures', for those who demand such support, as held by Jesus and his original apostles. Don't forget the Shema
Zeke
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Who has ascended and descended the heavens: Who has gathered the wind in His fists: Who has bound the waters in a garment: Who has established all the ends of the earth: What is His Name? And what is the name of His Son if you know?
Bill, George, Sabra, Henry, Luke, Margret, etc................pick a name or deity and behind it will be the only Life that exist, so the illusions of awareness only reflects the unobtainable man thinks he has trapped in word and symbol in the land of the prodigals.
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