jsanford108
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I have noticed many threads and debates recently on Freewill Doctrines vs Election/Predestination Doctrines. It is quite a heated topic, with both sides throwing verses around and making claims.
I have noticed a very consistent agreement between the two sides though. That is, if there is a logical questioning against a point made, neither will address it. They ignore it or simply say "that's wrong" or "there is no evidence of that in the Bible." Which strikes me as intriguing. Both sides have plenty of verses from which they derive their doctrine (Free will has many more in quantity, that much is simple fact). Yet, when it comes to logical defense of their premise, both kind of just stop, and begin repeating their former arguments.
My belief is that there is both free will and election (easy to derive, since both are in Scripture). And since both are in Scripture, we would all agree that Scripture does not contradict itself, then both must be true.
Rather than have a debate, I would actually like a list of pros and cons for each. I know that usually one side can list all the cons of the other. Why not list the pros and cons of your own side? This leads one to deeper understanding of what one believes. Be logical. Be rational.
If you have questions, I am happy to answer. If you are just going to attack, I assure you of two things. First, I most likely won't answer, because of the second thing. Second, any attack is unwarranted. This is a simple discussion. Not meant to be a debate. Just two theological opponents discussing their view, without aggression. (I know not to expect a debate not to start; that would be unrealistic given the plethora of arguments and attacking responses to almost all threads)
I have noticed a very consistent agreement between the two sides though. That is, if there is a logical questioning against a point made, neither will address it. They ignore it or simply say "that's wrong" or "there is no evidence of that in the Bible." Which strikes me as intriguing. Both sides have plenty of verses from which they derive their doctrine (Free will has many more in quantity, that much is simple fact). Yet, when it comes to logical defense of their premise, both kind of just stop, and begin repeating their former arguments.
My belief is that there is both free will and election (easy to derive, since both are in Scripture). And since both are in Scripture, we would all agree that Scripture does not contradict itself, then both must be true.
Rather than have a debate, I would actually like a list of pros and cons for each. I know that usually one side can list all the cons of the other. Why not list the pros and cons of your own side? This leads one to deeper understanding of what one believes. Be logical. Be rational.
If you have questions, I am happy to answer. If you are just going to attack, I assure you of two things. First, I most likely won't answer, because of the second thing. Second, any attack is unwarranted. This is a simple discussion. Not meant to be a debate. Just two theological opponents discussing their view, without aggression. (I know not to expect a debate not to start; that would be unrealistic given the plethora of arguments and attacking responses to almost all threads)
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Isn't 1 John 3:2 our hope? 
