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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    You plan on waiting like George Carlin did? He expects you to confess him before men first. A little humility. You won't even get a drip for your tongue to quench the burn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomO View Post
    Within the bounds of Creation time is a measurement of change and movement. If change and movement exist then time exists.
    And change and movement existed with God.

    It is an attribute of existence within the Creation. In other words existence as you know it. This is a faulty premise to base a judgment on in regards to the existence of the ALMIGHTY.
    No it isn't. If a sentience exists then it must experience.

    In the Beginning....
    The beginning of what?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    And change and movement existed with God.


    No it isn't. If a sentience exists then it must experience.


    The beginning of what?
    Okay, I can already see how this is going to go.....I concede.


    .....but Lighthouse, deliberate obtuseness is no way to defend a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomO View Post
    Okay, I can already see how this is going to go.....I concede.


    .....but Lighthouse, deliberate obtuseness is no way to defend a point.
    No, you don't.

    I asked when God decided to create time. Your answer was, "In the beginning." I asked, "The beginning of what?" I expected your reply to be, "The beginning of time."

    So, before I elaborate on this, is that your answer?

    P.S.
    God changed and God moved.

    Unless you want to tell me that God never decided to create.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac_guy View Post
    So we get that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


    How did God come to be "In the beginning"?


    A stork brought Him and laid Him in a cabbage patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    No, you don't.

    I asked when God decided to create time. Your answer was, "In the beginning." I asked, "The beginning of what?" I expected your reply to be, "The beginning of time."

    So, before I elaborate on this, is that your answer?
    P.S.
    God changed and God moved.

    Unless you want to tell me that God never decided to create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomO View Post
    Sure
    So you believe that God decided to create time at the beginning of time.

    Do you really not see the logical contradiction there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    So you believe that God decided to create time at the beginning of time.

    Do you really not see the logical contradiction there?
    ....before I answer (and I will) I have a few questions for you:

    First how would you define "time"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomO View Post
    ....before I answer (and I will) I have a few questions for you:

    First how would you define "time"?
    Duration.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Duration.
    Duration which is experience linearly through a sucession of moments?

    ....do you hold to Kants view of "time"?
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    So Tom, your saying before anything ever existed, anything at all, even before Genesis 1:1 where the earth was void and nothing was created at all, there was no time?
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    So Tom, your saying before anything ever existed, anything at all, even before Genesis 1:1 where the earth was void and nothing was created at all, there was no time?
    Basic Physics recognizes that without space and matter there is no time.

    If Gen. 1:1, John 1:3, Col. 1:16, & Heb. 1:2 are to be believed then before HIS action there was no time....at least not in the way that we understand/comprehend it.

    .....unless there was a pre-creation of some sort, in which case all bets are off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac_guy View Post
    So we get that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


    How did God come to be "In the beginning"?
    The idea that God, or any entity considered "supernatural," requires an origin is flawed, because that assumption arises from experience in the natural world. The reason we tend to look for causes is because things in our everyday world are constantly changing. If something it is not existing among or subject to physical laws, then there is no scientific problem with it being eternal and unchanging, needing no further explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomO View Post
    Duration which is experience linearly through a sucession of moments?
    Pretty much.

    ....do you hold to Kants view of "time"?
    I don't know. What's his view?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TomO View Post
    Duration which is experience linearly through a sucession of moments?

    ....do you hold to Kants view of "time"?
    The common sense view of time makes sense.
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