yep, see Venezuela.
Why are millions starving while grains and corn are in surplus?
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yep, see Venezuela.
My original post wasn't exactly clear about the solution. By prices falling then the producers vacate the market which reduces supply and balances the market while leaving starving millions hungry. This is the Achilles heel of capitalism. Resources flow to the production of profitable goods which is not necessarily the most desirable goods. By way of example investing in a luxury yacht factory makes good sense rather than investing in a bread factory when people are starving as purchasing power becomes more and more concentrated in the hands of fewer people.
Have you noticed that the shelf space for loaves of bread has shrunk at your local grocery while the cookie aisle has exploded in pricey items? Let them eat cake.
How about answering my question, what is your solution to get food past the corrupt leaders, because thats the real problem.
Greed is the fuel that drives capitalism.
ClimateSanity
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I'm not saying that it's necessarily bad. Just that it must be modulated.
ClimateSanity
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No argument there. Just keep lobbyists away that make deals to take it easy on the regs in return for campaign contributions.
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ClimateSanity
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If you are going to regulate, make sure you doing it evenly.
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glorydaz
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All men are entitled to make a profit so they can provide a home and food for their families. They certainly don't have to be greedy to do that.
That said, even socialism is fueled by greed because there are always some higher up that have bad motives, and end up with it all.
ClimateSanity
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Their greed ends up stealing all money in sight to where people kill dogs with bats to get food.
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DavidK
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‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”
I was thinking about this commandment a couple of days ago. I was thinking about the contemporary business drive to squeeze every last penny; we clearly wholly reap every corner.
This isn't the same thing as alms. It has a wonderful elegance to it that satisfies charity while requiring some effort on the part of the person receiving it.
So, given that we're more and more an urban, intellectual property and service oriented economy, what would it look like to leave the corners of the fields in the current day?
I was thinking about this commandment a couple of days ago. I was thinking about the contemporary business drive to squeeze every last penny; we clearly wholly reap every corner.
This isn't the same thing as alms. It has a wonderful elegance to it that satisfies charity while requiring some effort on the part of the person receiving it.
So, given that we're more and more an urban, intellectual property and service oriented economy, what would it look like to leave the corners of the fields in the current day?
Platitudes is the fuel that drives liberals.
Do a little work in a food bank, etc - but many today who "will work for food" will kick your car or worse if you actually offer them the chance.
That instruction was given to israel though in a time when most were farmers too, a community garden would be an idea, but those things were for the wanderer, traveler, etc.. not those breaking the law, demanding freebies that are capable of work etc..
eider
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I have been thinking along the exact same lines!
Oxfam recently published a report that 8 persons hold as much wealth as HALF the population of the Earth, and that got me to wondering about the old laws.
Every single one of the 613 laws helped to strengthen tribe cohesion, protect from sickness (esp mass sickness), increase security, provide for all and establish justice. I accept that several of the laws were vicious and dreadful but thousands of years ago a disease could rip through a tribe in a very short time.
Brilliant! One example...... the Retail Trade needs to get rid of damaged stock and returned stock, etc but because it worries that, say, store staff might throw out good stock to collect later and similar kinds of theft, all discarded stock has to be smasshed to pieces before being placed in skips for removal. A collection service for discarded stock and a special collection service for 'recent spent sell-by dates' could be enforced.
eider
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How about:-
Deuiteronomy {24:19} When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands. {24:20} When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. {24:21} When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean [it] afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. {24:22} And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt: therefore I command thee to do this
thing.
eider
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Look at this one....
Deuteronomy {15:7} If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: {15:8} But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, [in that] which he wanteth.
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EDIT! I should have looked further....
Deuteronomy {15:11} For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
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DavidK
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Yeah, it's kind of a cycle, isn't it? Handing out money or stuff in an impersonal way sets up expectations of being supported. That's why the law of reaping is so elegant. It sets up an expectation that anyone who is able to work, but doesn't have land or skill can still eat.
I have been amazed in doing street ministry how many people consider hearing the gospel and having to be inside by 10pm to be an overwhelming burden in exchange for food and a place to stay. I've known many, though, who were desperate to do work in exchange for what they are given (admittedly sometimes out of pride) and the law of reaping provides that for them.
We have a neighborhood guy who comes around and asks for change for his medication, though I expect his medication comes from the neighborhood party store. He rakes leaves for us or clears snow in exchange. My wife will give him more money than really makes sense for what he does, but I try to respect his desire to work and expect a reasonable amount of work for the money. I suppose that's a reflection of gleaning. Another is leaving our recyclables out at the curb, rather than taking them in to get the change back ourselves. Someone always comes by and pulls out the returnables before the truck comes by to get them.
It occurs to me that this question probes into our disconnect from people in the contemporary age. Big corporations are too impersonal to really do gleaning types of things... it's more efficient to just give money to local charities who largely give money or food without requiring anything. Just like it's easy for us as individuals to just give to a charity rather than helping individuals around us, getting involved in their circumstances. Sometimes we even give money to charities that give money to charities, eating up more of the giving into middle men rather than to the work of helping those who need it.
So money flows (or doesn't) without relationship to give it context.
DavidK
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Brilliant! One example...... the Retail Trade needs to get rid of damaged stock and returned stock, etc but because it worries that, say, store staff might throw out good stock to collect later and similar kinds of theft, all discarded stock has to be smasshed to pieces before being placed in skips for removal. A collection service for discarded stock and a special collection service for 'recent spent sell-by dates' could be enforced.
Yes. I'd forgotten about recent movements toward collecting food from grocery stores and restaurants and reselling at discount prices or stocking food banks. By all reports, the developed world throws out obscene amounts of slightly blemished but completely edible and nutritious food because we have become so spoiled by our luxury that we won't buy anything but perfect looking food.