How can I worship something that was given to me at birth?
Do you not see all of the sin going on the world? People are sinning by their own free will, just like Adam.
Did Paul Preach Two Conflicting Doctrines?
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How can I worship something that was given to me at birth?
Do you not see all of the sin going on the world? People are sinning by their own free will, just like Adam.
beloved57
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You worship it !
You worship the Roman Catholic Organization, since Calvinism is another subtil form of "works based" "salvation," like Rome "teaches," and this man, and your Calvinist SOF:
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Nanja
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Yes he does!
I don't worship anything except God and Jesus Christ.
But you worship the dumb idol of Calvinism. Is John Calvin going to save you. In the judgment John Calvin is going to disappear in a puff of smoke.
Nanja
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Your own free will is the god you serve!
Free will is not a God. It is a natural human attribute that we are all born with. Everybody has a free will. No one would be able to function in life if they did not have a free will. You apparently will believe anything that John Calvin says.
beloved57
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You worship your freewill as god and saviour !
Nanja
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You have no defense for your cultic religion and then you deny the fact that people are able to make choices. Did you not by your own free will chose to believe Calvinism? I by my own free will have chosen to reject Calvinism.
Nanja
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It is God's Will for me to believe the Gospel of God's Grace, which was given to all the Elect in Union with Christ Eph. 1:4-7 before the world began.
2 Tim. 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
You don't have the slightest idea of what the Gospel is. If you knew and believed the Gospel you would not need Calvinism. The Gospel of Jesus Christ totally and completely refutes all religions, especially Calvinism.
Salvation is a free gift from God. Not an imposition. God does not impose salvation on anyone.
Nanja
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God appointed His Elect to Salvation!
Eph. 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
But He appointed others to Wrath Rom. 9:22; Rev. 21:8.
The Bible does not contradict its self like you want to believe.
Paul said that we are justified by faith, Romans 5:1. He did not teach predestination. There is no scripture that says God has predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell. You don't know how to interpret the Bible because you don't have the Holy spirit, who is the Christians guide and teacher, John 16:13.
Nanja
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Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Just be grateful.
LA
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Just be grateful.
LA
I accept and believe all of the scriptures.
Your problem is that you read the scriptures with your Calvinist glasses on.
There is no scripture including the one that you quoted, says that God predestinates people to heaven or to hell.
Nanja
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Nanja
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Scripture refutes you.
Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Rom. 9:13-23
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory