Sixty attempts to repeal

musterion

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That's what Reuters says. Sixty.

60.

I have to wonder how many of those the Rs designed not to work, assuming they even passed veto, which they would never do under Obama?

I'm guessing the answer is zero.

The simplest explanation to all of this is probably the correct one. And that is, the Republicans really don't want to get rid of the unprecedented power structure created with Obamacare.

If they wanted to, they could. If they wanted to, they would have already done it.
 
glorydaz

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musterion said:
That's what Reuters says. Sixty.

60.

I have to wonder how many of those the Rs designed not to work, assuming they even passed veto, which they would never do under Obama?

I'm guessing the answer is zero.

The simplest explanation to all of this is probably the correct one. And that is, the Republicans really don't want to get rid of the unprecedented power structure created with Obamacare.

If they wanted to, they could. If they wanted to, they would have already done it.
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I think it's a good way to take some of the power away from Ryan. I didn't like seeing the establishment take the reins in this deal. It was a bad deal for everyone. They need to get together and pass something that will work. Until then, let Obama Care fall flat.
 
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musterion said:
That's what Reuters says. Sixty.

60.

I have to wonder how many of those the Rs designed not to work, assuming they even passed veto, which they would never do under Obama?

I'm guessing the answer is zero.

The simplest explanation to all of this is probably the correct one. And that is, the Republicans really don't want to get rid of the unprecedented power structure created with Obamacare.

If they wanted to, they could. If they wanted to, they would have already done it.
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Were you for Donald Trump's version of Obama's socialist healthcare system or did you want something different?

GOP replaces ObamaCare with SwampCare
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/170308
 
ok doser

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The Republican Party is perfectly designed to stoke right-wing anger, which is good for winning elections. It's not good at anything else at all, and it has virtually no capacity to actually govern or legislate.
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and one could say the same about the democrats, wrt keeping blacks hooked on welfare :idunno:
 
glorydaz

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rexlunae said:
The Republican Party is perfectly designed to stoke right-wing anger, which is good for winning elections. It's not good at anything else at all, and it has virtually no capacity to actually govern or legislate.
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Garbage. It's the losers who are filled with anger. Now that you guys lost, it's you left-wingers that are angry and hate filled. I've never seen anyone pitch bigger fits than the libs.

The dems didn't govern when they had control...they just passed out goodies and made a bunch of ridiculous growth killing regulations.
 
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Sixty attempts to repeal

Trump needs to make a coalition with the very people he has been "bad-mouthing" for a year and a half - the Democrats!

The only way to reach 216 votes in the House is a coalition between moderate Republicans and the Democrats!
 
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ok doser said:
and one could say the same about the democrats,...
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I would say that the Democrats' problem is almost the polar opposite: The party is full of technocrats who know how to get things done, but who have little charisma, and limited ability to appeal to people on a guttural emotional level. The statistics on the economy suggest that Democrats are a lot better at running the country, but people frequently still end up mad when they do.

ok doser said:
... wrt keeping blacks hooked on welfare :idunno:
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That's pernicious slander.

aCultureWarrior said:
That's why Donald Trump picked them as his ticket to fool America.
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Maybe. He'd definitely be hard-pressed to get anywhere with the Democrats given the schtick he ran on, but perhaps he would have picked a different one. He is, first and foremost, an actor and salesman.

glorydaz said:
Garbage. It's the losers who are filled with anger. Now that you guys lost, it's you left-wingers that are angry and hate filled. I've never seen anyone pitch bigger fits than the libs.

The dems didn't govern when they had control...they just passed out goodies and made a bunch of ridiculous growth killing regulations.
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Well, there's that rage I was talking about. Absolutely irrational, self-assured, and unwilling to listen. A perfect Republican voter.
 
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jgarden said:
Sixty attempts to repeal

Trump needs to make a coalition with the very people he has been "bad-mouthing" for a year and a half - the Democrats!

The only way to reach 216 votes in the House is a coalition between moderate Republicans and the Democrats!
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first of all it was democrats that have been bad mouthing Trump since the very moment he announced that he was running for president. Secondly moderate Republicans and democrats are very different from each other, even moderate Republicans want patient driven partial free market healthcare democrats just want pure socialism with centrally planned healthcare government healthcare.
 
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rexlunae said:
The Republican Party is perfectly designed to stoke right-wing anger, which is good for winning elections. It's not good at anything else at all, and it has virtually no capacity to actually govern or legislate.
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Right-wing anger? Haven't you been watching the far left Liberal Democrats out, smashing windows, destroying property, fighting the Police and fellow citizens? Where have YOU been hiding?
 
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rexlunae said:
I would say that the Democrats' problem is almost the polar opposite: The party is full of technocrats who know how to get things done, but who have little charisma, and limited ability to appeal to people on a guttural emotional level. The statistics on the economy suggest that Democrats are a lot better at running the country, but people frequently still end up mad when they do.



That's pernicious slander.



Maybe. He'd definitely be hard-pressed to get anywhere with the Democrats given the schtick he ran on, but perhaps he would have picked a different one. He is, first and foremost, an actor and salesman.



Well, there's that rage I was talking about. Absolutely irrational, self-assured, and unwilling to listen. A perfect Republican voter.
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How many RIOTS have you attended lately? How many black masks and clothes are hanging in your closet?
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Right-wing anger? Haven't you been watching the far left Liberal Democrats out, smashing windows, destroying property, fighting the Police and fellow citizens? Where have YOU been hiding?
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How many of those people are in Congress?

See, that actually fits my point perfectly. There are people out there who are passionate who are theoretically aligned with the Democrats, but for the most part the actual party just wants to be the grown-ups in the room. The party's base has a lot of passions, but the party itself has a lot of technocrats, so they are bad at channelling the passion in a useful direction, and they don't even seem to see the value of it.

Grosnick Marowbe said:
How many RIOTS have you attended lately? How many black masks and clothes are hanging in your closet?
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The demonstrations have involved millions of people, and they have been overwhelmingly peaceful. The fact that a few bad actors take advantage of a protest to act out doesn't justify the Right-wing narrative that it's just a bunch of criminals.
 
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musterion said:
That's what Reuters says. Sixty.

60.

I have to wonder how many of those the Rs designed not to work, assuming they even passed veto, which they would never do under Obama?

I'm guessing the answer is zero.

The simplest explanation to all of this is probably the correct one. And that is, the Republicans really don't want to get rid of the unprecedented power structure created with Obamacare.

If they wanted to, they could. If they wanted to, they would have already done it.
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Already done it during Trump's presidency? Or even back during Obama's?

Did Reuters's give any info about the repeal attempts? I'm curious how many were repeal only and how many were repeal with some form of replacement. It is sort of funny that they've been talking about this for 7 years and can't even get it done now when they control everything. At the same time, I heard some commentary about how Obama and the Dems took a year to get the ACA passed and in some ways it seems like the GOP and Trump have rushed to put something together that doesn't have a broad coalition of support. Why did they not take more time to make changes? Get more input?
 
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rexlunae said:
The Republican Party is perfectly designed to stoke right-wing anger, which is good for winning elections. It's not good at anything else at all, and it has virtually no capacity to actually govern or legislate.
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That at least seems accurate for the Freedom Caucus. Can they get along with anyone? You can't govern without some level of compromise which they seem incapable of doing.
 
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