Some Anti Name-Calling Folks...
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Agape4Robin
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That is not what I'm saying at all.Turbo said:
How do you hope to reach any of the lost, while they are lost, when you resort to name calling and labeling them? Is your respect for others only limited to the repentant and the saved? Or do you desire to bring others into the kingdom? Does your heart break when you see the lost who are oblivious to their sin? Or are you disgusted?
It's time that we roll up our collective sleeves and get our hands dirty and harvest for Christ, but let's not have that dirt come from our own mouths. Only the Holy Spirit can prepare the heart, and you never know when you are advancing the work of the Holy Spirit or hindering it. We must not assume anything.....being loving is not the same thing as being tolerant......there is a difference.
Stupid question.Caille said:
Why does it even matter? Those who come to Him in submission are treated differently than those who deny, defy, and reject Him.:duh:
Name-calling had the effect on these people of waking them up. They knew what they were, reveled in it, and continued to their own destruction with it. They did not ignore John the Baptist's name-calling. They killed him.julie21 said:
Before one can get another person from Point A to Point B, one must correctly identify Point A. Taking some watered-down approach to that doesn't cut it. (I do believe the modern age has developed the ideas of "intervention" and "sensitivity training" which are nothing more than group name-calling sessions.)
What needs to be understood is that the very people who are so adamantly against name-calling, use it as a weapon. The idea behind supposedly prohibiting it is to prevent someone else (the opposition) from doing it. So if someone calls me a right-wing Christian fanatic extremist, that's acceptable. If I return the favor by calling that person a filthy left-wing stupid atheist, why, that's name-calling and just can't be allowed.
Getting the picture?
I do believe Paul used the Greek word "arsenokoitus" which is not a very nice word. (Look it up if you need to.) I do believe the word translated as "harlot" is used fairly often in God's Word.Agape4Robin said:
Yes, the contexts are quite clear.
Turbo said:
I think the point may be that:
It makes no sense to go from being unsaved, to being saved and then judging others as "fools" when you were that yourself once.
It makes little sense to go from putting your head down, crying for God's mercy, to then saying, "YOU are a sinner! YOU are disgusting!"
I think that you are arguing semantics, and that is not the point. The point is to approach another, realizing that you, too, have fallen short of the glory of God, and you have been shown mercy and forgiveness, and are commanded to do the same to others (even those who haven't repented). Jesus asked God to forgive his tormentors even without them asking for forgiveness.
Humility. I believe that is the point.
Agape4Robin
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Why do you insist on going on with the idea that calling someone a faggot or a slut for that matter, is ok with you?Frank Ernest said:
Do you call your friends who live together outside of marriage, or are having sex outside of marriage, fornicators? Whoremongers? Do you constanly tell them that they are going to hell if they don't get married?
How about the rest of you?
Lovejoy
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I have never needed to, I don't believe. When I was "astray" I avoided my best friend almost completely. He was, and is, one of the most dear Christian men I have ever known. While he never verbalized a judgement against my behavior, neither did he ever live down to it or participate with it. He was able to issue conviction without ever saying a harsh word. It worked, too. I came around. All he needed was a perfectly spotless witness (try getting one of those, though). Now I try to do the same, by keeping my behavior at the standard that I see as appropriate. However, I do not let things I see as good be spoken of as evil, and vice versa. A few days ago, a lady in my class came up and told me about how her group was talking about me, and what a good man they think I am. She was amazed by it, because our little gossipy class hardly ever wastes breath on saying nice things. And all I had to do was try to live up to the standard of the One who is good, the One whom that praise truly belongs.Agape4Robin said:
Agape4Robin
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Thank you Lovejoy, that is my point.Lovejoy said:
But it seems as though there are others on this thread who seem to think homosexuality is a more evil sin or something. What I think we miss is that to God, sin is sin and it is all detestable to Him.
When others are saying,"well I was a drunken moron and my friends told me so and I didn't like it, but boy, I straightened out my life." You are an example of what a Godly man, who lived his life for you to see, convicted you. No one needed to brow beat you and call you names. When you are in sin, and you realize it is sin, name calling will do nothing but drive a wedge between you and coming to Christ. No one likes to be on the defensive.
Let's leave the judging to God.
1] He came to Him with sin.Caille said:
2] He was repentant.
3] Christ is justified in all He does, because He never does anything unjustified.
4] It would have been unjustified to call a repentant person a name, because there is no reason to point out the sins of one who knows their sins, and that they are in need of a Savior.
5] The only one I know who points out the sins of those who knopw their sisn is the accuser, the adversary, Satan himself.
Well, I'm going to, if he quits coming over with his girlfriend. Mainly because she's not a Christian, and what I have to say to him deals with being a Christia, so it would make no sense to her. Not at this point anyway.Agape4Robin said:
I also noticed that if I talk about the wrongs I've done, some people will feel convicted, because I'm talking about changing my life, and they feel worse about their sin. It's odd. But, whatever works...
It's more detestable to have homosexual sex, than to steal. Murder is worse than lying, isn't it?Agape4Robin said:
Homosexuality is an abomination. And goes against every edict of God on sexual relationships. Sexual immorality in general is considered the sin to be most avoided, in the Bible. For it is more than a sin against God, and more than a sin against others. It is a sin against one's own body.
So what if no one likes to be on the defensive? There are a lot of things people don't like. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Kids don't like getting spanked. But it's very corrective, which is great.
I have a friend who I talked to a few weeks ago, and got into how I wanted to change my life, and she was talking about how she wanted to change as well. So I suggested some things she should do. And I told her it would be hypocritical to do half of it, an not the other half. She told me I was just making her feel like a worse sinner, and to leave her alone. I didn't call her a slut, but she acted as if I had. So, seeing as how I get the same reaction either way, why not be blatantly honest?
No. Because God doesn't leave it to Himself. He told us to judge righteously.
Why? What is wrong with what I said about Christ? Do you think He ever did anythign that was unjustified? Or are you resorting to insults, in an effort to draw attention away from the fact that you are losing this debate?Caille said:
Who are we talking about, again? One of the Pharisees, was it. If so, then the answer is obviously, "Yes." Don't you read your Bible?
If you don't like losing, maybe you should adjust to what is correct and true.
No matter what either of us think, can we not agree that Jesus was never unjustified? If not, then you are not a Christian.Caille said:
I've enver done it because I'm losing a debate. I've done it because people keep saying the same thing over and over again. Ask keypurr.
Yes, He did. His pride, for one. And what about the men who brought the woman caught in adultery?
Do you have any idea what art and storytelling are? I read things like The Watchmen and The Punisher...
What are you calling childish?
julie21
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So with your post # 4 above...how 'justified' are you in pointing out the past sins of one who knows their past sins, has repented and come to Christ because they knew they needed a Savior?
Would you also like to clarify exactly point number 5 from your post quoted above for me please?
See, the way that I interpret what YOU wrote, is this...
There is only one being who points out the sins of those who knows their sin...and that being is the accuser, satan himself.
Is that correct?
And as far as I have determined from my studies, as well as lengthy discussion, satan will point out these sins that have been forgiven by Christ, once we come to repentance through faith and belief that His blood on the cross has washed us clean.
That is why we need the "Helmet of salvation", because satan will point out our past sins as a way to make us think we are not saved, that our 'past' sins still count against us with Christ, that we are sluts or whores, or whatever.
So satan is the ONLY one to do this is he Lighthouse?..
Food for thought there, I think.