Hate Crime
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zoo22
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After reading through this thread (which is really interesting, btw) there's at least one thing I didn't see addressed (though I may have missed it) ...
A hate crime (crime based on hatred towards race, religion, color, origin) does more than simply instill fear/emotional damage to the target group. Hate crime also insites cultural dischord. The social unrest that is/can be caused by a hate crime murder makes it "more" than murder, because in addition to the crime it is also a threat to society.
This potential for dischord BTW, is why many racial hate groups can be pleased with with any type of race-related crimes, including those againt their own race ... They understand that it has the potential to lead to far bigger things. Hate fuels hate.
A hate crime (crime based on hatred towards race, religion, color, origin) does more than simply instill fear/emotional damage to the target group. Hate crime also insites cultural dischord. The social unrest that is/can be caused by a hate crime murder makes it "more" than murder, because in addition to the crime it is also a threat to society.
This potential for dischord BTW, is why many racial hate groups can be pleased with with any type of race-related crimes, including those againt their own race ... They understand that it has the potential to lead to far bigger things. Hate fuels hate.
Mustard Seed
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New term! Like Crimes! Get extra punishment for enjoying the money you stole!
New term! Like Crimes! Get extra punishment for enjoying the money you stole!
New term! Like Crimes! Get extra punishment for enjoying the money you stole!
New term! Like Crimes! Get extra punishment for enjoying the money you stole!
New term! Like Crimes! Get extra punishment for enjoying the money you stole!
The problem with "hate" crimes is that they divert the attention of justice away from the rational and toward the emotional. If the law diverts from the objective (right vs wrong) and becomes an emotional playground (love vs hate), anything goes.
It's also a one-way street where the supposedly offended (hated) can inject political correctness into the system, status crimes (convicted by who you are, not what you did), etc. which should be abhored in any true legal system.
It's also a one-way street where the supposedly offended (hated) can inject political correctness into the system, status crimes (convicted by who you are, not what you did), etc. which should be abhored in any true legal system.
One Eyed Jack
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beanieboy said:
I think it's stupid. Crime is crime. I couldn't care less what the criminal's motivation is.
A kid getting hit when he runs out into the street is an accident, not murder.:doh: There should be no penalty for that.beanieboy said:
And why steal soup to feed your children when there are plenty of places where they give out food?
That's not a lie. A pregnant woman does not look fat, she looks pregnant. And pregnant women are not the only ones who ask their husbands if they look fat:nono:beanieboy said:
One Eyed Jack
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PureX said:
I'd rather argue for my own opinion, thanks.
Who said I've never considered the other point of view?
Caledvwlch said:
As I said, "hate crime" should be relabeled "crime of terrorism.
In the documentary "Four little girls," KKK members in the 50s and 60s were bombing black churches.
They were destroying property, but the intent was to keep black people afraid and in their place.
I'm sure that bombing a random church is a "hate" crime, but it doesn't cause terror to a group of people. That is the point of such crimes of terror - to send a message.
And these kind of crimes tend to be much more heinous.
Take the case of Matthew Shephard.
They could have just beat him up if that was the true motive.
But they tied him up, beat him up, put cigarettes out on him, pistol whipped him, and then left hm there so badly bruised and beaten, that the boy who found him wasn't sure if he was human, and the police, who saw his picture, said that they could never have identified him.
zoo22 said:
This is my point.
Why is flying a plane into the WTC "terrorism"?
Isn't everyone who is killed feeling terror?
Why not just call it murder?
The thing is, I live in Minneapolis, but people were worried that there would be an attack on one of our towers, or were afraid of shopping in the Mall of America (because bombing it would be symbolic), etc.
Terrorism causes fear in society, where as, if BillyBob killed his next door neighbor, I wouldn't have the same kind of reaction, and so, it is therefore, not "terrorism."
PureX
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Yes, but this all adds a level of complexity to the conversation that the willfully stupid among us don't want to deal with. They don't want to consider the motives, or the intentions behind the crime, because they resent complexity, and because it will cause them to face the reality that it's difficult to ever be certain of guilt once we begin to consider motives and mitigation. They'd rather just pass judgment and execute people quickly than face their own inability to be absolutely right all the time about everything. This is sad but true.beanieboy said:
Free-Agent Smith
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Since most "hate crimes" involve murder, I'll just stick with the crime of murder in any example.zoo22 said:
What communities do you know of where murder wouldn't cause some form of dischord?
Free-Agent Smith
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Motive, to end someone's life. Intentions behind the crime? To make sure they don't breathe any longer than needed.PureX said:
As far as reality... there are people out there that are by far smarter than you give them credit for and some of them base their convictions on the facts that can be presented.
Free-Agent Smith
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Terrorism doesn't just contain murder as it's only crime.beanieboy said: