Calling all Open Theists for Feedback

Lon said:

I was late. I'd think somewhere between 'calm down' and 'wake up' is "don't get uptight."

To me? Unnecessary advice or direction. I'd be like me telling you "don't get excited." Your response? "I'm not excited." Right?

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I think both she and GT are getting a little too much attention. They have stars in their eyes.....and not in a good way.

I heard a term once that suits them well, but I'm not sure it would be allowed.....something like an attention harlot. Attention is the payment....they thrive on it. Can't you just see them bowing while holding an arm full of Meshak's flowers?

glorydaz said:

I think both she and GT are getting a little too much attention. They have stars in their eyes.....and not in a good way.

I heard a term once that suits them well, but I'm not sure it would be allowed.....something like an attention harlot. Attention is the payment....they thrive on it. Can't you just see them bowing while holding an arm full of Meshak's flowers?

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You seem to be upset about people getting attention of my insight.

Don't worry so much about me.

Jesus loves you, dear.

Peace.

PS, would you like to know the secret of getting attention?

meshak said:

You seem to be upset about people getting attention of my insight.

Don't worry so much about me.

Jesus loves you, dear.

Peace.

PS, would you like to know the secret of getting attention?

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NO NO, don't give me your "secret". God's unTruth always wants to give me her "secrets". I can smell the whiff of sulpher in the air, and I can hear the hiss of the fire when either of your breathes the word, "secret".

Take a bite....you shall be like God. sssssssssss

patrick jane said:

What does open theism mean?

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Blasphemy


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Lon said:

Sorry EE, I'm not really helping this Open Theism thread. I'll leave it alone since I'm just feeding off topic subject matter. It started with Daqq posting off topic and so I took a part of this day to try and explain something.

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Your typical thread derailing tactics, (always talking about yourself while blaming the derailing on others), have nothing to do with me or what I posted to the OP. When I posted my first reply in this thread, here, I quoted the OP and put many statements from the OP in bold red which I then responded to. You then butted in, here, so as to make sure that everyone knows that you also reject the plain clear emphatic statements of Messiah which I had posted. Ever since I responded to you after that, with the plain clear emphatic statements from the Master Teacher in the Gospel of John, you have deflected, disavowed, and derailed, revealing once again the true nature of your character. In the same manner the OP has revealed that all of those statements of his from the OP, which I placed in bold red, were nothing more than good sounding smooth words that were meaningless to the OP because they are not really true of the OP. Anyone can say they desire to be shaped and molded by the Word, and by nothing but the Word, but when faced with the stark reality of what the Word actually says the OP straight up denies the Testimony of Messiah just as you do.

glorydaz said:

NO NO, don't give me your "secret". God's unTruth always wants to give me her "secrets". I can smell the whiff of sulpher in the air, and I can hear the hiss of the fire when either of your breathes the word, "secret".

Take a bite....you shall be like God. sssssssssss

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Ok, whatever you say dear.

Smile, not hissing.

Jesus loves you

daqq said:

Your typical thread derailing tactics, (always talking about yourself while blaming the derailing on others), have nothing to do with me or what I posted to the OP.

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:doh: I apologized for myself. I simply told him where we went off. Certainly you were off from the beginning.

daqq said:

When I posted my first reply

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in this thread, here, I quoted the OP and put many statements from the OP in bold red which I then responded to. You then butted in, here, so as to make sure that everyone knows that you also reject the plain clear emphatic statements of Messiah which I had posted. Ever since I responded to you after that, with the plain clear emphatic statements from the Master Teacher in the Gospel of John, you have deflected, disavowed, and derailed, revealing once again the true nature of your character. In the same manner the OP has revealed that all of those statements of his from the OP, which I placed in bold red, were nothing more than good sounding smooth words that were meaningless to the OP because they are not really true of the OP. Anyone can say they desire to be shaped and molded by the Word, and by nothing but the Word, but when faced with the stark reality of what the Word actually says the OP straight up denies the Testimony of Messiah just as you do.

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Water under the bridge...too late now...I simply apologized for my part....your and my posts are still off-topic.

Further apology EE. Not for Daqq, for myself. He can do as he likes. -Lon

Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

AMR...

Publically, I have been a jerk towards you. This stops now! I welcome your use of scripture, alone, intertwined with your well studied understanding... to sharpen my current understanding through challenge. You are welcome on my thread in Open Theism...

You can quote me on this! I count you a concerned brother in Christ and recognize that I am proposing things that are outside of Calvinism and Open Theology. My motive is UNE, towards the TRI-UNE.

1 Cor. 1:13

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Thank you for the kind words.

AMR

Lon said:

:doh: I apologized for myself. I simply told him where we went off. Certainly you were off from the beginning.


Water under the bridge...too late now...I simply apologized for my part....your and my posts are still off-topic.

Further apology EE. Not for Daqq, for myself. He can do as he likes. -Lon

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Now it's my turn... I apologize for not responding sooner. I was at reduced responding capacity. You didn't derail this thread a bit! What I see is unity and passion for Jesus that is being attacked by two people that deny Jesus His rightful Glory as God and Savior.

You are right on target. I'm so sick of bickering amongst fellow believers that I have caused! I am desiring a unity and full bore, theological reformation! I have to be willing to place Jesus over my Labels and Unity in Jesus far above myself. Do I stop reading scripture and struggling to provoke thought? God forbid!

I am Adamant and sincere and even though I'm coming from an unexpected direction... this is one of the most important OP's I've posted! You have defended the very message that this OP stands for. Labels don't divide us, because we never close our minds and hearts to the leading of Jesus Christ! Jesus and Free Salvation that cost Him everything are the two most important messages we all confess and profess! We can all disagree on the mechanics, but it's all going to work out His way, anyway.

You were being attacked, because Satan sends his minions where salvational unity and (1 Cor. 1:13) is setting in. Soooo... please take back that apology... : )

You're words are deeply noticed and appreciated!

- EE

You are such a drama queen, EE.

Calm down.

Jesus loves you.

God's Atemporality

God's Atemporality

Ktoyou said:

There was the 'God inside time" debate where i differed from TOL main OT believers. It seems to me there is not enough old members here to debate this issue again.

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Yes. The old open theism archives (three of them) are the best collection of discussions about the topic available anywhere on the internet:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?19592-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-1
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?38999-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-2
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?51812-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-3

Anyone interested in the topic, pro or con, should avail themselves of a few weeks study of the above archives. They are also interesting to see how energetic and fast paced TOL was in bygone years. Those were the days.

I also had a one-on-one on the matter of God's atemporality a few years ago:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?53669-One-on-One-AMR-and-JCWR-on-the-Temporality-of-God

A BR thread:
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...s-God-Know-Your-Entire-Future-Battle-Royale-X

Lastly, on eternity this may be informative:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?114117-Water-cooler-online&p=4588182&viewfull=1#post4588182

AMR

Ask Mr. Religion said:

Yes. The old open theism archives (three of them) are the best collection of discussions about the topic available anywhere on the internet:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?19592-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-1
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?38999-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-2
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?51812-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-3

Anyone interested in the topic, pro or con, should avail themselves of a few weeks study of the above archives. They are also interesting to see how energetic and fast paced TOL was in bygone years. Those were the days.

I also had a one-on-one on the matter of God's atemporality a few years ago:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?53669-One-on-One-AMR-and-JCWR-on-the-Temporality-of-God

A BR thread:
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...s-God-Know-Your-Entire-Future-Battle-Royale-X

Lastly, on eternity this may be informative:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?114117-Water-cooler-online&p=4588182&viewfull=1#post4588182

AMR

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I need to check these out. I really know nothing about it.

Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

You're words are deeply noticed and appreciated!

- EE

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Thanks, Proverbs 18:24

Life and the fruits of the Spirit

Life and the fruits of the Spirit

Lon said:

Thanks, Proverbs 18:24

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Humility and Sincerity!

(Proverbs 18:21) - from the mouth of a man who humbles himself before God that he might be used to bring life from his tongue, which shines from Christ within ... I cherish this scripture all the more!

Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

I have no desire to ever be "Named"!

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I was going to bring this up from your OP earlier since you have called me every name and label you could think of in your attempts to discredit the scripture that I post. However I figured it would come up again and did not want to derail the thread with petty things. But seeing how you and Lon have derailed your own thread:

Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

Now it's my turn... I apologize for not responding sooner. I was at reduced responding capacity. You didn't derail this thread a bit! What I see is unity and passion for Jesus that is being attacked by two people that deny Jesus His rightful Glory as God and Savior.

You are right on target. I'm so sick of bickering amongst fellow believers that I have caused! I am desiring a unity and full bore, theological reformation! I have to be willing to place Jesus over my Labels and Unity in Jesus far above myself. Do I stop reading scripture and struggling to provoke thought? God forbid!

I am Adamant and sincere and even though I'm coming from an unexpected direction... this is one of the most important OP's I've posted! You have defended the very message that this OP stands for. Labels don't divide us, because we never close our minds and hearts to the leading of Jesus Christ! Jesus and Free Salvation that cost Him everything are the two most important messages we all confess and profess! We can all disagree on the mechanics, but it's all going to work out His way, anyway.

You were being attacked, because Satan sends his minions where salvational unity and (1 Cor. 1:13) is setting in. Soooo... please take back that apology... : )

You're words are deeply noticed and appreciated!

- EE

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Ah yes, "Satan and his minions", from the mouth of the hypocrite-labeler-accuser himself! :rotfl:
Another lousy joke for a thread: so I will leave you to your, ehem, unity party.
But what will you do without your favorite target of accusation?

daqq said:

But seeing how you and Lon have derailed your own thread: :rotfl:

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:idunno: I said "thank you."

On another note, AMR has made a great contribution toward the topic.

Interact with that by all means. I'm reading through the links as we speak.

Ask Mr. Religion said:

Yes. The old open theism archives (three of them) are the best collection of discussions about the topic available anywhere on the internet:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?19592-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-1
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?38999-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-2
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?51812-ARCHIVE-Open-Theism-part-3

Anyone interested in the topic, pro or con, should avail themselves of a few weeks study of the above archives. They are also interesting to see how energetic and fast paced TOL was in bygone years. Those were the days.

I also had a one-on-one on the matter of God's atemporality a few years ago:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?53669-One-on-One-AMR-and-JCWR-on-the-Temporality-of-God

A BR thread:
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...s-God-Know-Your-Entire-Future-Battle-Royale-X

Lastly, on eternity this may be informative:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?114117-Water-cooler-online&p=4588182&viewfull=1#post4588182

AMR

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AMR,

A wise man once told me that a man that collects knowledge and cultivates wisdom should be honored. A wise man once told me that a follower of Christ desires to serve so badly, that he would be as happy to sweep the Golden streets as he would be to hold the highest angelic rank.

As I see you foster the search for God and encourage a sibling in Christ's curiosity beyond any label... I can now see that I had horribly misjudged a humble servant of God that seeks only the Masters Joy.

My eyes are opened and my Respect is issued.

I lift an imaginary glass of good wine to the Spirit of Reform and a heart that is contrite to God! I abolish my words of disrespect to you and Proclaim a sincere appreciation of who God has molded you, AMR, to be.

- PW

Sola Christ, Scripture, Grace, Glory to God, Faith, Love and Unity in Him!

I embrace my Reformed Siblings in Christ with GLAD and open heart!

Ask Mr. Religion said:

Anyone interested in the topic, pro or con, should avail themselves of a few weeks study of the above archives. They are also interesting to see how energetic and fast paced TOL was in bygone years. Those were the days.


AMR

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Yes, TOL was more exciting back then. We were all younger

Ktoyou said:

Yes, TOL was more exciting back then. We were all younger

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[MENTION=7233]Ktoyou[/MENTION]

Noah was 500 when he started the Ark. What's our excuse? As in... what reason do we have for not kicking up some good conversational excitement... based on scripture.

And... If you would link your "God within Time Thread"... I would enjoy looking at it.

: )

Why God logically and scripturally has to be Omniscient

Why God logically and scripturally has to be Omniscient

Isaiah 45:5 Act 7:48-51 Colossians 1:16-20

Scripturally, if God dwells anywhere, then the universe is His God. Why? Because there would be something or someone beside Himself AND that something would be greater than Him. Mormons believe exactly this, that God is a maker, but product of the universe and that the universe, logically is His God.

Isaiah 45:5 Yet God clearly states: "There is no other." and further Isaiah 42:8 "I will not share."

In Colossians 1 we learn everything is sustained (contained therefore) in the Creation-power of Christ.
Significance? Nothing exists that exists without Him, as Colossians 1 clearly and implicitly states. John 15:5 states as well, "without Me, you can do not one thing."

"If" God could write a new song, it would literally have to be 1) notes He'd never created, 2) words that there was no potential of being able to be put together And importantly 3) completely outside Himself and from another God. Why? Because ALL things proceed from within the Lord God.

"If" all things do not proceed from God, then the Open Theist is correct BUT God would also be part of creation.
Because all things proceed (else Colossians 1 is untrue) from Him, He necessarily is all-knowing of all that proceeds from Him and because He sustains all things, all actions, all movement, everything.

I do not believe Open Theism can sustain logically. -Lon