biology, not your subjective "feelings"

quip · Mar 5, 2017

Lon said:
See? You don't care. You really don't. One day, I PRAY you become a 'human' being. You are about the closest thing to a spiritless thinking animal I've ever seen. That's sad. Its heart-breaking. You REALLY have to hear this, quip. You just aren't seen as a humane being or human being on TOL. You DO NOT display that at all.

Well, the one primary advantage of us "spiritless thinking animals" is that we refuse to cling to hateful, divisive ideology.

Mayhap, you bring your high-minded attachment to humanity down a few pegs...it may temper your hostilities.

Here's a good start.

quip · Mar 5, 2017

glassjester said:
Why should marriage be all about reproduction? You old puritan, you!

It's not. In this particular case it's prohibition concerns undue suffering.

So you'd vote "yes" on incest marriage equality?

Doubtful. Supra

ClimateSanity · Mar 5, 2017

quip said:
I couldn't agree more, now deal with them.

I disagree. It's actually non Christians like you that have serious issues. We are on the right side of history. You better deal with them or spend eternity dealing with them.

quip · Mar 5, 2017

ClimateSanity said:
I disagree. It's actually non Christians like you that have serious issues. We are on the right side of history. You better deal with them or spend eternity dealing with them.

Epic.

You and Lon could be bunk partners.

Angel4Truth · Mar 5, 2017

Angel4Truth said:
Which had nothing to do with the context of the quote, but was a troll bunny trail. To show that hiv causes demonstratable harm to gays, one need not show worldwide stats, over american stats- irrelevent to the conversation period.

Yes, you proved you are a troll, congrats. I see you wont be answering anything you were asked on the actual context topic. :wave2:

Context ignored by dante:

Quip put forth that pedophilia is wrong unlike homosexuality because of demonstrable harm :

I showed harm to gays due to hiv.

Your turn troll.

quip said:
HIV is not inherent to homosexuality nor exclusive to it.

No one said it was, you said pedophilia is wrong because of demonstrable harm. You did not say harm that is exclusive to those victims, in fact that kind of harm, can happen in all kinds of relationships (being taken advantage of or a sexual victim) no one at anytime, said anything exclusive for demonstrable harm, you certainly didnt, lets check:

quip said:
No I can't. Pedophilia causes demonstrable harm.
It's not a mere ideological objection.

Angel4Truth said:
Demonstrable harm:

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html

I showed harm to gays due to hiv.

Are you arguing against promiscuity...if so, why the obsessed, exclusive focus on homosexual promiscuity?

No, i argued that practicing homosexual sex, causes demonstrable harm - not just "ideological harm" but yes, sexual promiscuity also does like homosexuality (also in most cases homosexuality IS promiscuity)

Please show me where anyone is advocating that sexual promiscuity regardless of straight or gay, is OK? There is your difference, but at least in this post, you compare an apple with an apple, sexual sin.

So im happy you understand that much, its wrong on more than one level and you just proved another demonstrable harm yourself = promiscuity, which is wrong and harms people in many ways.

Angel4Truth · Mar 5, 2017

Angel4Truth said:
Which had nothing to do with the context of the quote, but was a troll bunny trail. To show that hiv causes demonstratable harm to gays, one need not show worldwide stats, over american stats- irrelevent to the conversation period.

Yes, you proved you are a troll, congrats. I see you wont be answering anything you were asked on the actual context topic. :wave2:

Context ignored by dante:

Quip put forth that pedophilia is wrong unlike homosexuality because of demonstrable harm :

quip said:

No I can't. Pedophilia causes demonstrable harm.
It's not a mere ideological objection.

Click to expand...

Angel4Truth said:

Demonstrable harm:

Gay and bisexual menb are the population most affected by HIV. In 2015c:

Gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% (26,375) of HIV diagnoses among males and 67% of all diagnoses.
Black/African Americand gay and bisexual men accounted for the largest number of HIV diagnoses (10,315), followed by white gay and bisexual men (7,570).

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

I showed harm to gays due to hiv.

Your turn troll.

quip said:
Wrong. HIV is no more inherent to homosexuality than it is to heterosexuality. Though both hold the possibility to contract it.

Do you understand what inherent means?

This is no more than your typical, self-righteous bluster.

Inherent, was not part of the conversation, untill you added it to create a bunny trail because you were proven wrong in what you said initially to doser:

quip said:
No I can't. Pedophilia causes demonstrable harm.
It's not a mere ideological objection.

Angel4Truth said:
Demonstrable harm:

Gay and bisexual menb are the population most affected by HIV. In 2015c:

Gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% (26,375) of HIV diagnoses among males and 67% of all diagnoses.
Black/African Americand gay and bisexual men accounted for the largest number of HIV diagnoses (10,315), followed by white gay and bisexual men (7,570).

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html

Click to expand...

I showed harm to gays due to hiv. Where did you say children suffer inherit harm- you didnt , you said demonstrable harm and i followed with a demonstrable harm to gays due to gay sex.

No one said exclusive, or inherit. (untill you and Dante couldn't handle the proof)

quip · Mar 5, 2017

Angel4Truth said:
Please show me where anyone is advocating that sexual promiscuity regardless of straight or gay, is OK? There is your difference, but at least in this post, you compare an apple with an apple, sexual sin.

You've wholesale condemned homosexuality because of the promiscuous acts of a few. By your own logic you should likewise be condemning heterosexuality on identical grounds. But you can't and don't ...why is that? :think:

If you want start a thread on the general (homo and hetero) concerns and consequences of promiscuity ....feel free. Until then, all you've proposed up till now is mere specious, cherry-picked rhetoric.

ok doser · Mar 5, 2017

quip said:
You've wholesale condemned homosexuality because ....

because it's a perversion that's prohibited by God

period

all the rest of your noise is trying to find a way around that

quip · Mar 5, 2017

ok doser said:
because it's a perversion that's prohibited by God

period

Not everyone cares for what your god prohibits or not. Up to and most certainly including christians.

glassjester · Mar 5, 2017

quip said:
It's not. In this particular case it's prohibition concerns undue suffering.

No, they could just abort "it."

...couldn't they?

And what about homosexual incestuous couples? Do they deserve "marriage equality," having absolutely zero risk of conceiving a child with a genetic disorder?

ok doser · Mar 5, 2017

quip said:
Not everyone cares for what your god prohibits or not. Up to and most certainly including christians.

He's your God too quip

you'll learn that soon enough

Angel4Truth · Mar 5, 2017

Angel4Truth said:
Which had nothing to do with the context of the quote, but was a troll bunny trail. To show that hiv causes demonstratable harm to gays, one need not show worldwide stats, over american stats- irrelevent to the conversation period.

Yes, you proved you are a troll, congrats. I see you wont be answering anything you were asked on the actual context topic. :wave2:

Context ignored by dante:

Quip put forth that pedophilia is wrong unlike homosexuality because of demonstrable harm :

I showed harm to gays due to hiv.

Your turn troll.

quip said:
You've wholesale condemned homosexuality because of the promiscuous acts of a few.

Not what happened as ive already show, thats your new bunny trail as ive already shown and already blocked.

By your own logic you should likewise be condemning heterosexuality on identical grounds. But you can't and don't ...why is that? :think:

Because youre desperate faced with facts? Youve tried to switch to inherency, and now promiscuity - and dante tried to add hiv stats in america arent the world, both of you look desperate.

If you want start a thread on the general (homo and hetero) concerns and consequences of promiscuity ....feel free. Until then, all you've proposed up till now is mere specious, cherry-picked rhetoric.

More red herring, i wasnt discussing promiscuity, that was your strawman.

Hiv shows demonstrable harm, promiscuity that YOU OFFERED, yet again shows demonstrable harm.

in what you said initially to doser:

quip said:
No I can't. Pedophilia causes demonstrable harm.
It's not a mere ideological objection.

Angel4Truth said:
Demonstrable harm:

Gay and bisexual menb are the population most affected by HIV. In 2015c:

Gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% (26,375) of HIV diagnoses among males and 67% of all diagnoses.
Black/African Americand gay and bisexual men accounted for the largest number of HIV diagnoses (10,315), followed by white gay and bisexual men (7,570).

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html

Click to expand...

Thanks, for allowing me to show the egg on your face. :wave2:

ok doser · Mar 5, 2017

from the cdc:

Gay and bisexual men aged 13 to 24 accounted for an estimated 92% of new HIV diagnoses among all men in their age group

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/

i put it in size 7 font so selophane would have something to whine about while he's ignoring it

Lon · Mar 5, 2017

quip said:
I couldn't agree more, now deal with them.

Yeah, but you, by admission from Houseman, are a stranger and afraid... It really makes it your problem. What is it? I've already told you, you value humanity and human life MUCH less than I do. You are a self-centered caricature of an actual human being, even by humanism standards. Among the divine? Much more so. You are MEANT to be of the divine, quip. Your satisfaction with subpar is ever the actual problem. It is you, quip.

ok doser · Mar 5, 2017

like all liberals, he's rooted in selfishness

MrDante · Mar 5, 2017

Angel4Truth said:
Which had nothing to do with the context of the quote, but was a troll bunny trail. To show that hiv causes demonstratable harm to gays, one need not show worldwide stats, over american stats- irrelevent to the conversation period.

Of course they are relevant to the conversation you just want to ignore them so you can keep pretending that a virus is justification for bigotry.

According to the latest numbers from WHO there is over 40 million people world wide infected with HIV. The United State accounts for less than 2% of all known cases of HIV. In total women account for just shy of 60% of all cases of HIV. Children under the age of 14 account for an additional 6%. About 15% of infections comes from contaminated blood products or internalized medical equipment or through intravenous drug use.

so go back to your hole under the bridge.

glassjester · Mar 5, 2017

Hello, Angel4Truth - If there was a cure for aids, would homosexuality suddenly become less wrong?

MrDante · Mar 5, 2017

ok doser said:
from the cdc:
Gay and bisexual men aged 13 to 24 accounted for an estimated 92% of new HIV diagnoses among all men in their age group

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/

i put it in size 7 font so selophane would have something to whine about while he's ignoring it

And 100% of all cases of child sexual abuse are commented by white heterosexual men (in twin falls Idaho)

Lon · Mar 5, 2017

MrDante said:
And 100% of all cases of child sexual abuse are commented by white heterosexual men (in twin falls Idaho)

What? You think he 'made-up' these statistics? What is it, in the mind of supporters, that overlooks statistics of actual harm, then decides to go off an emotive (yes it was) and mindless deep-end?

Would you do this if we were talking about smokers and getting other pre-smokers involved in smoking????

I doubt it, but something about this other topic gets people to actually turn their brains off like it is some kind of noble crusade. It is mass-brain washing and stupid. "I was born this way!" You were NOT born to kill yourself off early. :nono: I don't care if it is cigarettes or sexual behavior, no you were certainly not. It is NOT okay.

Who is more loving? You or me? I highly suspect it really isn't you. Giving a child candy all the time is not good for them. It isn't loving. Saying 'no' IS often the actual loving thing. Learn that lesson today please.

ok doser · Mar 5, 2017

i figger he's either terminally retarded or trolling

biology, not your subjective "feelings"

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