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    Round 2 part 2 - Team NW

    Team NW started out slowly and very defensively.
    Their attempts at clarifying how team GG misrepresented them and what team NW's true positions are did nothing to advance the debate.

    Team NW's section on Of “Doubtful Things” and Selective Morality was more damaging to their side than to team GG's side.
    Because, let us be frank here, if one is to say, as a matter of principle, that a candidate's less-than-perfect stance on abortion makes it immoral to vote for him, then one would also have to say that it is immoral to cast a vote for a candidate having a less-than-perfect stance on any other issue which is addressed in Holy Scripture, or else enter into the rankest sort of hypocrisy.
    This statement by Team NW says that if it would be immoral to vote for any particular candidate, then it would always be immoral to vote for any candidate, regardless of who they are.
    On the other hand, if it would not be immoral to vote for any particular candidate, then would never be immoral to vote for any candidate, regardless of who they are.

    Team NW rallied from their stumbling beginning and came back strong by addressing whether McCain was pro-abort, pro-gay, pro-socialism, and anti-free speech.
    This was followed by a strong analysis of McCain's character.

    Team NW then answered the questions posed by Team GG, proving that the questions did not have any relevance to the topic of the debate.

    At the end, team NW added a few more questions to the debate:
    NWQ3: Are you saying that we should elect government leaders by the standards set out for Christian church leaders?
    I have to wonder what prompted Team NW to ask such a question.
    Is team NW trying to say that Christians should be happy with elected government officials that cannot meet the standards listed for leaders of the Christian churches?

    NWQ4: How would the election of John McCain, personally, cause you to make that choice? I will want evidence on the likelihood of this as well, rather than foundationless accusations.
    (The choice between obeying God or obeying man.)
    This is an excellent question.
    Can anyone provide evidence that casting a vote for McCain would make someone think that they were disobeying God?

    NWQ5:If he chooses to remain silent and only save those who is able to, is he committing an immoral act?
    (If the person kept silent about the atrocities of the Nazis in order to remain in a position to save some Jews.)
    After proving that questions like this are completely irrelevant, team NW asks it anyway.
    Is anyone able to prove that McCain is able to save some babies from abortion by keeping silent on whether abortion is evil?
    Did team NW forget that they said the battle was not about abortion?

    In the end, though team NW did not do as good of a job this round as in the first round, they are still ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post

    This statement by Team NW says that if it would be immoral to vote for any particular candidate, then it would always be immoral to vote for any candidate, regardless of who they are.
    On the other hand, if it would not be immoral to vote for any particular candidate, then would never be immoral to vote for any candidate, regardless of who they are.
    Without trying to draw the battle to the grandstands, I do want to mention that you err greatly in needlessly applying the corollary.
    Futility: "More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and hopelessness; the other, to total extinction. Let us pray that we will have the wisdom to choose correctly. I speak, by the way, not with any sense of futility, but with a panicky conviction of the absolute meaninglessness of existence."
    - Woody Allen

    Hope:
    Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
    Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
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    As long as the Democratic Party supports abortion you must vote republican
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    As long as the Democratic Party supports abortion you must vote republican
    What do you do when both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party support abortion, homosexual behavior, and adultery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholsmom View Post
    Without trying to draw the battle to the grandstands, I do want to mention that you err greatly in needlessly applying the corollary.
    I suppose that it depends on how far you are willing to go with "less than perfect" as a standard.

    Is the slope starting to get slippery, or is it already covered with lard?

    If you think it is worth addressing further, then a clarification on the issue might be in order in round 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post

    If you think it is worth addressing further, then a clarification on the issue might be in order in round 3.
    And it most likely will be. The way that the rebuttal portion is spread out over a number of rounds (rather than just being in a single around like in a typical formal debate) as well the time limit mean that it makes it certain degree of sense to take the time to build a case piece by piece rather than all at once.
    "When the lights go out all over the world, when history seems headed only into a dead end and total disaster, God brings forth light. He changes the direction of history and regenerates men and redirects events and institutions to fulfill His purposes."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WandererInFog View Post
    And it most likely will be. The way that the rebuttal portion is spread out over a number of rounds (rather than just being in a single around like in a typical formal debate) as well the time limit mean that it makes it certain degree of sense to take the time to build a case piece by piece rather than all at once.
    Your team was the clear winner in both of the first two rounds.
    Team NW's first round post was well thought out and presented.
    I would have liked to have seen all the posts by each side done as well as that one.

    Team NW's second round post seemed to be defensive as if team GG had taken the lead.
    Too much time was spent trying to defend against the statements made by team GG, not enough time was spent trying to solidify the lead and extend it.

    (These opinions are from one individual and may not express the consensus of the people following the Battle Royale.)
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    I don't understand how someone can defend the morality of voting Republican without holding up the consequences of not doing so.

    Are WIF and NM going to claim that voting for McCain is amoral?
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Team NW then answered the questions posed by Team GG, proving that the questions did not have any relevance to the topic of the debate.
    This has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard. So now in a debate, when you answer someone's questions, that proves them to be irrelevant?
    "Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OchoCinco View Post
    Please show me the scripture where God advocates and rewards Rehab for lying.
    Matthew 1:5 - she was admitted into the ancestry of Jesus (the seed-line)

    Hebrews 11:31 - her life was spared; her faith commended

    James 2:25 - she was justified (considered righteous)

    "The truly wise talk little about religion, and are not given to taking sides on doctrinal issues...
    They have no time, they say, for that kind of thing.
    They have enough to do in trying to faithfully practice what is beyond dispute."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodsfreeWill View Post
    This has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard. So now in a debate, when you answer someone's questions, that proves them to be irrelevant?
    The questions asked by team GG were not relevant to the topic.

    If you cannot understand this, you cannot win the debate.

    The proof that the questions asked were irrelevant was in the answers, not in the act of answering the questions.

    I am really hoping that team GG steps up their efforts.
    I think that team GG has some powerful arguments to bring to the table, but so far team GG hasn't even been able to find a way to say why voting for McCain is immoral.

    Would you mind stating why voting for McCain is immoral in round 3?
    I have been waiting to find out for two rounds so far, but your reason seems to have something to do with giving a bank robber a ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    He put them under Nebuchadnezzar to punish them for turning away from Him and to get them to repent and turn back to Him, according to the prophecies.

    He put them in Egypt to save them from the famine.
    He put them under Pharoh to show His mighty power and to force them to leave Egypt so they could go into the land flowing with milk and honey that He promised to give to them.

    I believe He put them under Hitler to cause the world to bring forth the nation of Israel in a single day to fulfill the prophecy.

    Americans are not God's people, but there is a percentage of Americans who actually believe in God.
    That percent is not large enough to vote in a godly candidate, but it is large enough to be heard.

    The day of the return of Jesus is close at hand, and God is making sure that all the pieces are in place to fulfill the prophecies.
    The job of the people who believe in God is to make sure that God's word is heard, whether anyone listens or not.

    We are entering into a time in history where the people who believe in God will have to take a stand against the evil in the world or reject God and follow the world.
    God may (or not) be setting up an evil person to take command of the United States.
    If so, it is for His purposes, and all we can do is speak out against the evil and overcome through our testimony of Jesus.
    You are sadly mistaken.


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    Is there a way to make it possible for those not participating in the Battle Royale to quote the posts in the battle so to post responses to things here, without having to type a bunch of code?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Knight-
    Is there a way to make it possible for those not participating in the Battle Royale to quote the posts in the battle so to post responses to things here, without having to type a bunch of code?
    Yes. Multiquote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Yes. Multiquote.
    Not.

    You cannot select to quote posts in that thread and then quote them. It won't let you.


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