BATTLE ROYALE XIII: Round 1
The Commander [In Chief] of the Army of the Lord
Do You Really Believe Abortion is Murder? Are You Sure?
It's no secret that John McCain is pro-choice. It was no surprise when he was endorsed by the organization Republicans for Choice. John McCain's official position is pro-choice with exceptions. McCain believes it is okay for a mother to kill her unborn child if his/her father is a criminal (rape/incest). McCain believes it is okay to dismember an unborn child if the mother's life is threatened, rather than removing the living baby to attempt to save the mother and her baby (life of the mother). McCain believes it is okay to do grisly medical research on the tiniest living boys and girls through embryonic stem cell research (Dr. Mengele-type research).
In other words, basically, McCain is willing to kill some kids.
To get at the principle, let's assume it is legal to kill Jews, as it was in Nazi Germany. Would you vote for McCain if he was willing to kill some Jews? Or what if it is legal to lynch blacks? Would you vote for McCain if he was willing to lynch some blacks? We assume your answer is "No," but that leaves us with quite the dilemma. We only see two choices here, and we challenge our opponents to correct us if we're wrong.
Option 1: Our opponents would not vote for McCain if he were willing to kill some Jews or some blacks.
Conclusion: Our opponents do not really believe abortion is murder, as demonstrated by their inconsistency.
Option 2: Our opponents would vote for McCain if he were willing to kill some Jews or some blacks.
Conclusion: Our opponents do believe abortion is murder and have no problem supporting a man willing to slaughter innocent children, innocent Jews and innocent blacks.
ROUND 1 QUESTIONS:
GG1: If you were about to do something that God did not want you to do, would you want to know?
GG2: Would you still support McCain if he were willing to kill some Jews or some blacks?
GG3: Two men are trying to break into a school. One wants to kill all the kids in the school and the other only wants to kill some of them. Neither one is personally threatening your life. You have a key to get into the school. Which one are you going to support, knowing that eventually one will succeed in getting in? To whom do you give your key?
(Please note, throughout this debate, we may ask many yes-or-no questions. We expect to receive yes-or-no answers, or at least “both, neither, sometimes one and sometimes the other,” or at minimum, “I don’t know.” But without one of these direct answers, all the explanation in the world will not persuade us that the question has been answered. Please answer appropriately as a yes-or-no to make your position clear. We fully intend to do the same, in return.)
The famous acronym “WWJD” or “What Would Jesus Do?” is a great way of helping one determine whether or not something one plans on doing is something God would approve of. Paul, in his epistles, teaches us that the flesh urges us to do many things in its battle against the Spirit and can create fear in us to do wrong. In this debate, we will show you biblically that it is immoral for an informed Christian to support or even vote for John McCain and his vice-presidential running mate, Sarah Palin. (Of course we are talking about the Christians aware of the facts and not just an uninformed and naïve vote for McCain simply because he's a Republican.)
If you're a Christian and planning on voting for John McCain, as our opponents are, please consider two questions:
If you were going to do something that God did not want you to do, would you want to know?
What would Jesus do?
Our position is that it is immoral to vote for the John McCain/Sarah Palin ticket in the 2008 presidential election. The following is the basic explanation of our line of reasoning.
A voter has no moral obligation to vote for one of two evil choices. Of course no Scripture implies that he has such an obligation.
We should not do evil so that good may come of it.
And why not say, "Let us do evil that good may come"?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.
If God's law conflicts with man's law, then we must obey God rather than men.
And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them, saying, "Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man's blood on us!" But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men.”
We should not fear men; we should fear only God.
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
McCain has a long-time, consistent pro-choice record and promises to use his authority to continue to promote and support abortion.
Our government has delegated authority to each registered voter without telling them whom to vote for. It is any Christian's moral obligation to use the authority given to them only within the boundaries of righteousness and to act in accordance with God's will, even if it isn't in our earthly, personal interest -- that is, to "do right and risk the consequences."
We question whether those advocating voting for McCain actually believe abortion is murder.
We hold that refusing to vote for Obama or McCain does not equate to helping Obama or McCain's campaign. Rather, it simply has no effect on either campaign. The belief that a Republican not voting for McCain is helping Obama is an example of moral relativism and therefore directly contradicts the absolute truth of God's word and the absolute moral law of God.
Therefore, it is not immoral to withhold a vote for McCain. In fact, it is immoral to vote for either Obama or for the McCain/Palin ticket in the Nov. 11th election.
Our Nation’s Leaders Are Killing Innocent People
Grave injustices and crimes against humanity have plagued human history. Saul of Tarsus killed Christians; Hitler killed Jews; whites lynched blacks, just to name a few. To make matters worse, these grave injustices were all legal under the law of the land. A terrible injustice plagues the world and our own nation, today. It is a holocaust greater than that of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia, combined. They call it abortion. The Bible is clear on the humanity of the unborn.
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;"
For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
And He said to me, 'Behold, you shall conceive and bear a son. Now drink no wine or similar drink, nor eat anything unclean, for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb to the day of his death.' "
'Why then have You brought me out of the womb?
Oh, that I had perished and no eye had seen me!
For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
I was cast upon You from birth.
From My mother's womb You have been My God.
"Listen, O coastlands, to Me,
And take heed, you peoples from afar!
The Lord has called Me from the womb;
From the matrix of My mother He has made mention of My name.
Now Isaac pleaded with the Lord for his wife, because she was barren; and the Lord granted his plea, and Rebekah his wife conceived. But the children struggled together within her;
"If men fight, and hurt a woman with child…
We could use up our entire allotted word count with the biblical material dealing with the humanity and personhood of the unborn. God knew us before He formed us in the womb. Conception and the embryo's trip down the fallopian tube to the uterus (the womb) is all that takes place before our formation in the womb. God knew us from the moment of our creation, the moment of fertilization. Even John McCain says not only does life begin at conception, but that such a “baby” is entitled to human rights from conception. This will become of great importance later in the debate.
It's the devil's game to give you two evil choices and act like he's the good guy by letting you “choose” between two wrong choices. When given choices A and B by the devil, what would Jesus do?
The answer is "C."
Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, "Are you for us or for our enemies?"
"Neither," he replied, "but as commander of the army of the LORD I have now come." Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, "What message does my Lord have for his servant?"
And in the New Testament:
And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither…"
Christ is too wise to fall into such an obvious trap. Given two choices, both wrong, He answers: neither.