ECT A Question For the Preterists

SaulToPaul 2 · Jan 10, 2017

Peter- atonement in future, kings and priests, inheriting the City
Paul- atonement is past, ambassadors, inheriting the heavens

A 5 year old can understand the difference, but great scholars like IP cannot.

Interplanner · Jan 10, 2017

Right Divider said:
You say that Peter and Paul teach the same thing, but you only quote Paul. Interesting.....

don't you realize that Peter affirms all he said in 2 Peter 3? Are you pathologically trying to find divisions when there are none? Acts 13 says the same things that 2 and 3 did. They are on the same page in Acts 15 and Gal 2.

Interplanner · Jan 10, 2017

SaulToPaul said:
Peter- atonement in future, kings and priests, inheriting the City
Paul- atonement is past, ambassadors, inheriting the heavens

A 5 year old can understand the difference, but great scholars like IP cannot.

Your divisions are totally artificial and fall apart. They are things children would accept but not grown men.

SaulToPaul 2 · Jan 11, 2017

Interplanner said:
Your divisions are totally artificial and fall apart. They are things children would accept but not grown men.

Why are Passover and Day of Atonement months apart?

Peter knew why.

SaulToPaul 2 · Jan 11, 2017

Interplanner said:
Your divisions are totally artificial and fall apart. They are things children would accept but not grown men.

Do grown men not know the difference between the past and the future?

Peter- atonement in future
Paul- atonement is past

Will you humble yourself as a little child and accept simple truths?
Or will you continue to be a Pharisee and reject simple truths?

SaulToPaul 2 · Jan 11, 2017

SaulToPaul said:
:chuckle:

I believe the gospel of Christ, 1 Cor 15:1-4 (KJV) and completely trust the LORD to save me.

Do you?

Well, IP?

:idunno:

Right Divider · Jan 11, 2017

Interplanner said:
don't you realize that Peter affirms all he said in 2 Peter 3? Are you pathologically trying to find divisions when there are none? Acts 13 says the same things that 2 and 3 did. They are on the same page in Acts 15 and Gal 2.

So you think that Peter was preaching the gospel of the grace of God in Acts 1-5?

You're so confused.

SaulToPaul 2 · Jan 11, 2017

Right Divider said:
You're so confused.

Unbelief leads to mass confusion.

steko · Jan 11, 2017

SaulToPaul said:
I've been reading the Marcus Lamont Sanford commentary on how to properly exegetisize "the greek".

Ole Anthony Quinn marred up in that swamp a-gin?
Jes slip this here rope up under his arm pits and hitch em to them thar mules.
He'll exejet right on outa' there!

Right Divider · Jan 11, 2017

steko said:
Ole Anthony Quinn marred up in that swamp a-gin?
Jes slip this here rope up under his arm pits and hitch em to them thar mules.
He'll exejet right on outa' there!

:french:

Interplanner · Jan 11, 2017

Right Divider said:
So you think that Peter was preaching the gospel of the grace of God in Acts 1-5?

You're so confused.

Absolutely; we are way past that. it has been shown all this time.

When Acts 1 gives the apostles the power of the REAL kingdom of Christ is to preach Christ enthroned for his sacrifice of grace for the whole world. That is the answer about the so-called 'kingdom of Israel.' Only people in 2P2P don't see this, and think/imagine all kinds of residual statements in Acts for a future kingdom. Ignoring the hearing in 26 of course, as usual.

The grace and forgiveness is there in the first sermon with the declaration that DAVID SAW THIS AND SPOKE OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST AS THE ENTHRONEMENT OF MESSIAH, 2:30-32. There is no other possible meaning here.

2P2P is total glommed on crap out of nowhere, actually out of what Judaism thinks before, without and apart from the apostles teaching.

There is a corollary that affected Israel at that time: by joining the mission of Messiah, Israel (the country) could save itself being destroyed.

As usual the NT teachers spoke of the return and total change of the world as though it would happen soon, in that generation, right after the destruction of Jerusalem, which was unstoppable. Paul does everywhere. But in Matt and Mark there are allowed delays mentioned.

All modern eschatology is hooey by ignoring these basic propositions.

Right Divider · Jan 12, 2017

Interplanner said:
Absolutely; we are way past that. it has been shown all this time.

Don't try to DODGE the question. Was Peter preaching the gospel of the grace of God in Acts 1-5?

If so, show us EXACTLY where.

Interplanner · Jan 12, 2017

Right Divider said:
Don't try to DODGE the question. Was Peter preaching the gospel of the grace of God in Acts 1-5?

If so, show us EXACTLY where.

This is the most mental of questions. I simply cannot believe you can miss such a thing and call your self a reader or a Christian.

Lk 24:47: you are going to preach the forgiveness of sins to all nations
Acts 2:38 so that your sins may be forgiven; the promise is for you, your children, and all who are far off, whom the lord will call.

Just shut up and study the Bible a little bit.

2P2P is a totally unnatural, ignorant, glommed on belief system that is a fraud.

Right Divider · Jan 12, 2017

Interplanner said:
This is the most mental of questions. I simply cannot believe you can miss such a thing and call your self a reader or a Christian.

Once again, your idiotic response.

Peter was preaching the KINGDOM which ALSO included the forgiveness of sins.

Interplanner said:
Lk 24:47: you are going to preach the forgiveness of sins to all nations
Acts 2:38 so that your sins may be forgiven; the promise is for you, your children, and all who are far off, whom the lord will call.

So you think that the gospel of the grace of God is just about the forgiveness of sins. No wonder you're so confused.

Interplanner said:
Just shut up and study the Bible a little bit.

Look who's talking...

Interplanner said:
2P2P is a totally unnatural, ignorant, glommed on belief system that is a fraud.

Only an dumb cancellationist could not see the facts.

Interplanner · Jan 12, 2017

Right Divider said:
Once again, your idiotic response.

Peter was preaching the KINGDOM which ALSO included the forgiveness of sins.

So you think that the gospel of the grace of God is just about the forgiveness of sins. No wonder you're so confused.

Look who's talking...

Only an dumb cancellationist could not see the facts.

For the 100th time, there is an aspect for israel out of this that would have saved the country in the 1st century, about which all of you 2P2P expert readers have decided to know nothing because it is pagan or something. But it is not an offer of a Davidic theocracy as we know from Acts 2:30+ and WHAT DAVID HIMSELF SAW COMING stated there. You refuse to acknowledge that God has made Jesus CHRIST AND LORD as announced in that sermon. That's the ultimate in the expectation of the Jews from their scriptures, and it has taken place.

You refuse to acknowledge that line is there. It completely dissolves 2P2P ism.

There is no offer of a kingdom other than what is happening in Christ and in the preaching of the Gospel. There is no vestigial Judaism dragging on through some 9 chapters of Acts.

Right Divider · Jan 13, 2017

Interplanner said:
For the 100th time, there is an aspect for israel out of this that would have saved the country in the 1st century, about which all of you 2P2P expert readers have decided to know nothing because it is pagan or something. But it is not an offer of a Davidic theocracy as we know from Acts 2:30+ and WHAT DAVID HIMSELF SAW COMING stated there. You refuse to acknowledge that God has made Jesus CHRIST AND LORD as announced in that sermon. That's the ultimate in the expectation of the Jews from their scriptures, and it has taken place.

I do NOT refuse that God has made Jesus LORD AND CHRIST as announced in that sermon.

YOU are the one that is refusing to see it as it is:

Acts 2:29-31 (AKJV/PCE)

(2:29) Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. (2:30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; (2:31) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

The THRONE there is in Jerusalem and not some mysterious spiritual "throne".

Interplanner said:
You refuse to acknowledge that line is there. It completely dissolves 2P2P ism.

There is no offer of a kingdom other than what is happening in Christ and in the preaching of the Gospel. There is no vestigial Judaism dragging on through some 9 chapters of Acts.

Go ahead and stay all puffed up in your own mind. You are clueless.

Interplanner · Jan 14, 2017

Right Divider said:
I do NOT refuse that God has made Jesus LORD AND CHRIST as announced in that sermon.

YOU are the one that is refusing to see it as it is:

Acts 2:29-31 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:29) Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. (2:30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; (2:31) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

The THRONE there is in Jerusalem and not some mysterious spiritual "throne".

Go ahead and stay all puffed up in your own mind. You are clueless.

Since when was spiritual mysterious? That's your problem and carnality and immaturity. That's why Daniel talked about 'truth being cast to the ground.' Christ said the kingdom is not like the ones of this world, and does not come with things that you can say 'it's here' or 'there it is.'

Your term clueless simply means not addicted to 2P2P. It is a very simple mistake.

And your highlighter missed the next line, which is the official apostolic interp: David spoke of the resurrection. Unfortunately, you have not heard the resurrection preached in power, so you rely on neo-Judaism.

Right Divider · Jan 14, 2017

Interplanner said:
Since when was spiritual mysterious?

Spiritual is not mysterious; your "David's throne is in heaven" is a fallacy.

Interplanner said:
That's your problem and carnality and immaturity.

You opinion is wrong about me, just like it is about almost everything else.

Interplanner said:
That's why Daniel talked about 'truth being cast to the ground.' Christ said the kingdom is not like the ones of this world, and does not come with things that you can say 'it's here' or 'there it is.'

"Not of this world" does NOT mean NON-PHYSICAL. Thy kingdom COME, remember? His will on EARTH as it is in heaven, remember?

Interplanner said:
Your term clueless simply means not addicted to 2P2P. It is a very simple mistake.

No, it actually means clueless.... as in without a clue.

Interplanner said:
And your highlighter missed the next line, which is the official apostolic interp: David spoke of the resurrection.

Guess what.... resurrection puts someone back on PLANET EARTH.

Interplanner said:
Unfortunately, you have not heard the resurrection preached in power, so you rely on neo-Judaism.

No, I let the WHOLE Bible be the WHOLE Bible. I'm not a stupid cancellationist, like you.

Interplanner · Jan 14, 2017

RD wrote:
"Not of this world" does NOT mean NON-PHYSICAL. Thy kingdom COME, remember? His will on EARTH as it is in heaven, remember?

But it does not mean a government in the usual sense, he made that very clear. 'Not this kind' is better. And, if you haven't noticed, I do pray that a lot; I keep saying that Christ is enthroned and is to be preached as the Lord of all now, even to government admins. But that is not to pray for a Davidic theocracy for the world. The Lord is to be preached now.

You don't acknowledge any of the flaws of 2P2P. It is a mistake from one end to the other.

re the resurrection:
Once again, what Peter meant was that Christ was to be honored as lord now, not NHNE. That is the task of Christian work. That's why the prayer in ch 4 about 'why do the nations rage against the Messiah.'

You really downplay the resurrection both as power, as enthronement and as the fulfillment of the promises to Israel for all nations. and you do that a lot. You have no idea what you are like.

There is no NT validation of the promises you are talking about in the sense you are using.

Right Divider · Jan 14, 2017

Interplanner said:
RD wrote:
"Not of this world" does NOT mean NON-PHYSICAL. Thy kingdom COME, remember? His will on EARTH as it is in heaven, remember?

Why don't you actually quote me?

Interplanner said:
But it does not mean a government in the usual sense, he made that very clear.

So He is NOT the King of Israel? So He will not rule with an rod of iron?

Maybe the nations that He will rule are "just spiritual nations". :dizzy:

Interplanner said:
'Not this kind' is better. And, if you haven't noticed, I do pray that a lot; I keep saying that Christ is enthroned and is to be preached as the Lord of all now, even to government admins. But that is not to pray for a Davidic theocracy for the world. The Lord is to be preached now.

Just exactly HOW would I "notice that you pray a lot"?

What does it matter that you pray those things?

You don't have to pray for a Davidic theocracy. When Christ calls His ambassadors home and returns to establish His kingdom, it will happen just like the scripture describes.

Interplanner said:
You don't acknowledge any of the flaws of 2P2P. It is a mistake from one end to the other.

:french:
You're like a broken record....

Interplanner said:
re the resurrection:
Once again, what Peter meant was that Christ was to be honored as lord now, not NHNE. That is the task of Christian work. That's why the prayer in ch 4 about 'why do the nations rage against the Messiah.'

If you think that the heathen rage now, just wait until He returns to establish His kingdom.

Rev 11:15 (AKJV/PCE)

(11:15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Interplanner said:
You really downplay the resurrection both as power, as enthronement and as the fulfillment of the promises to Israel for all nations. and you do that a lot. You have no idea what you are like.

There is a lot more to it than that, but your overly simpleton cancellationist fallacy makes it impossible for you to understand or see it.

Interplanner said:
There is no NT validation of the promises you are talking about in the sense you are using.

You do NOT know what the NT is. Please read Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 to find out.

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