beloved57
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Show me the scripture, not assumption
The Word "WHOSOEVER" Refutes Calvinism, All Religions
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Show me the scripture, not assumption
If Jesus himself came down from heaven and read you the scripture, you still would not believe.
beloved57
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Show me the scripture that says God has given men a freewill !
Some things are so apparent that it only takes common sense to figure it out.
You are so full of rebellion that you want to say black is not black, black is white.
beloved57
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Oh, the natural man religion. Forget about the scripture. Your authority is common sense.
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It is so apparent that everyone has a free will, that it is ridiculous to say that they don't.
I suppose that is why you have embraced Calvinism, it is so ridiculous.
beloved57
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Your preaching comes from the natural mind of a man,mans freewill gospel !
God gave us all a brain. It doesn't take much thinking to figure out that everyone has a free will.
Only those that are blind to the truth would say that no one has a free will.
beloved57
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You have 666 in your forehead, the religion of a man ! Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Here is an experiment for you.
Go out on the street and tell people that they are a bunch of dumb SOB's. No one will be able to harm you because they don't have a free will.
beloved57
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Show me a scripture that says man has a freewill!
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Shasta
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I guess you did not read what I said. Actually I would not have expected anything else. Here is the same scripture again:
Joshua 24:14-14 "Now, therefore, fear the LORD and serve Him in sincerity and truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. 15" If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
By telling them to make a choice that day Joshua is saying they had the ability to choose. WILL is by definition the ability to choose. Here is Wiki's definition:
Joshua 24:14-14 "Now, therefore, fear the LORD and serve Him in sincerity and truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. 15" If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
By telling them to make a choice that day Joshua is saying they had the ability to choose. WILL is by definition the ability to choose. Here is Wiki's definition:
Joshua presented two courses of action to them: to serve God or not. It was up to them to decide for themselves which they would do. This is proof of volition in a concrete example.
inb4 "show me where it says man has free will"
#callingitnow
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It is so elementary that God believes his created beings know that they all have a free will.
Shasta
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I still want an explanation as to why you think Joshua 24:14-14 is NOT a concrete example an occasion where man's power to choose is acknowledged.
It seems there is disdain for studying the meaning of scriptures in favor of finding proof texts. This puts the reader in charge of imposing their own maxims as the key to discerning what is true. God may not word something to your liking. Truth is often not lying on the surface. We must hunt for it has hidden treasures. We are expected to study the scriptures and rightly divide the scriptures in the whole of their context. I don't have to produce proof texts worded as you expect them to be, All I really have to do to prove my point is show that the truth is contained in the meaning of a text.
But if proof texting is really your sole method of discovering truth then it is up to you to provide us with a proof text that explicitly states "man does not have a will"
You asking me? I'm an open theist on b57's ignore list.
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Lol it's fine. B57 put me on his block list when I asked him if God predestined babies to be sacrificed on the altar to Molech, because in that specific passage God never commanded it, nor did it enter his mind.
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B57 and Nanja believe that God is a sinner like them. They are okay with the idea that God predestinates billions to hell for no reason other than they were born after Adam.