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Those that created the false religion and those that carry it on.
the church
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glassjester
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If those who eat of the bread (as Jesus instructed) are part of the body of Christ,
and The Twelve eat of the bread as Jesus instructed, then...
Show me where Scripture says judging the tribes of Israel excludes you from the body of Christ.
glassjester
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Are you making an argument against papal infallibility, or just pointing out that non-Catholics aren't very fond of it?
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Nowhere in scripture will you find such a thing said.
I don't need to. You clearly do NOT want to understand the reason why there are TWELVE apostles in the first place; and why there is ONE apostle of the gentiles.
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The whole "pope" thing is bogus from the start, so it hardly matters whether he or they declare him infallible.
glassjester
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Jesus called the bread His body.
He gave it to His apostles.
They continued to eat the bread (His body) after His death and resurrection (because Jesus instructed them to do so).
Paul tells us that when we eat Christ's body (the bread), we are part of the body of Christ.
Why should this exclude the 12?
No, I suppose you don't "need" to show where this doctrine is in Scripture.
But then, is your belief unbiblical?
Which God? This One?
Ezekiel 20:20 "hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God."
WOW! that is an impressive list!
so you must be really grateful...as in you love Him so much you will do ANYTHING He asks of you yes?...
I mean because of what He did for you and gave to you, you want to be with Him, and like young lovers just do everything He does the way He does...lol they say couples in true love mirror each other...do everything together
I thought the day of the Lord was judgement day...like one day...in the future
on the festival of first fruits?
He was seen by Mary but He had not yet been "approved as the first fruit" so He was ascending to His Father...
What was witnessed that Sunday morning, was not His rising but an empty tomb...He was gone said the Angel..long gone...having risen the day before...
glassjester
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Yes. The very same!
Should I not be grateful?
Are you not grateful?
The Word of God says Sunday is the Lord's day.
Risen the day before? Which verse says that?
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Once AGAIN, you are equivocating. The CHURCH which is HIS BODY is NOT the same as ISRAEL with THEIR TWELVE apostles for the TWELVE tribes.
No, once AGAIN you are equivocating. Paul says that WE ARE ONE BREAD. 1 Cor 10:17
And we are one bread because we partake of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and not your cannibal ceremony.
It's not that they are excluded. It's that they ALREADY have a place in the kingdom of Israel.
The church which is His body is a NEW CREATURE and NOT a continuation of what Jesus came to earth to confirm; the promises made to the fathers.... the fathers of ISRAEL.
No, I've made it clear that there is a difference between what God was and is going to do with Israel and the OTHER thing that is a NEW CREATURE.
Go ahead and stay on your path of deception if that's what you want. Most RCC'ers seem to like it. It makes them feel good and proud.
Hmmm...but your works are so much different than what He prescribed...are you sure you are wearing His yoke or maybe someone else's
yes yes of course!...be very grateful...the least you can do is to show it by doing what He asks do you...what pleases Him...
indeed I am it is foundational to my desire that I obey and do exactly what pleases Him...because of what was done for me and what has happened to me...
Can you imagine the joy of knowing He has a way we can show are joy and appreciation? It's not like we have to guess or make things up...
Really? I gotta see this...where is that?
Well to get to that ya gotta do some logic...
If the woman came to the tomb even before the morning light and discovered tomb was already empty...that means they missed when He actually rose yes? So being first thing in the morning the rising had to have been during the night before...so not on Sunday but the day previous...
The irony escapes most that the new covenant was christened by a toast to a room full of Jews...preparing to celebrate the Passover the next day...
A further irony is when He says "do this..." it was over leavened bread not the unleavened of the Passover...is why orthodox use leavened
In the Latin Rite, the bread for the Eucharist has been unleavened since the eighth century; that is, it is baked of flour and water without yeast. At the Last Supper, Christ probably took this kind of bread (mazzah), which was interpreted in the Passover memorial as a "bread of affliction," the bread of nomadic shepherds who had no homeland of their own. During the first millennium of Church history, however, it was the general custom in both East and West to use normal "daily bread," that is, leavened bread, for the Eucharist;the Eastern Churches still use it and usually have strict prohibitions against the use of unleavened bread (or "azymes"). The Latin Church, for its part, regards the question as of little importance, since at the Council of Florence, which sought to reunite East and West (1439), the difference in custom was simply acknowledged and accepted. (Rev. Johannes H. Emminghaus, The Eucharist: Essence, Form, Celebration, p. 161).
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The irony is that you do not know what the new covenant is or who the parties involved are.
Men have studied the errors of RCC and the results are online. Sorry for your loss
Translation: Liars like you have lied about the Catholic Church and the lies are online. Sorry about your ignorance.
We never declare anything, as in any sort of invention. We simply define what the Lord taught. Papal Infallibility is a fact. Most people don't even understand what it actually means. Most people, including you, don't realize that they already believe in the infallibility of men.
Scott Hahn explains Papal Infallibility
Less than 5 minutes
I know what papal infallibility is. I also know that it's changed with every era as well, which many Catholics deny but history shows it plain as day- Catholic history is full of declarations of the Pope being God in the flesh, the unblemished sheep, the holy of holies, anon anon. The RCC likes to make these kind of comparisons, like Mary as the new Ark of the Covenant.
What those like Scott Hahn try to do is rationalize sheer fanaticism of the Middle Ages.
Good for Scott...
One family however that looks and acts quite differently from its trunk and roots...
Even in biology the fruit grafted into the trunk and root must be of the same family...apples bare apples
But compare the church today to what Peter led (married kosher sabbath/festival keeping) and we have fruit of a completely different family...
Yes the Holy Spirit keeps one closer to HIS way..not down the path of developing tradition to whatever suits the times for comfort and appeal...it remains the commandments of God > traditions of man no matter how old or successive...tradition being merely extended peer pressure
Even now some Catholics reject this pope as having progressed too far and that since Vatican 2 the seat at the head of the family table is empty...
As if only now since 1965 change is bad...
The Covenant is familial...we are His children with our coming inheritance...best we start acting living and loving JUST AS our Father and elder brothers in the church of the wilderness did...
Peter was given a key...made NO changes to it as any changes to the key renders it useless for its intended lock...
On earth as it is in Heaven...His way as He did
the church guides us like a shepherd guides his sheep
Bible guides us via holy spirit
66 book Bible is error free and don't lie. We use it as our source to confirm your lies
the Holy Spirit would tell you that the number of books is not that important