Creation vs. Evolution II
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6days
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The secular worldview often gets things partially correct.
"A cataclysmic flood cleaved Britain from France hundreds of thousand years ago, in a violent act of nature that carved out the white cliffs of Dover and set the course of history for a new island."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2007/jul/18/geography.geology
If the cliffs were not formed radidly, then how did cliffs of microscopic creatures accumulate faster than the erosion rate. We both have answers, but the evidence best fits a cataclysmic event...as recorded in the Bible.
18 'And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.'
19 'And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.'
20 'Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.'
21 'And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:'
22 'All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.'
23 'And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.'
24 'And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.' Genesis 7
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19 'And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.'
20 'Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.'
21 'And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:'
22 'All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.'
23 'And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.'
24 'And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.' Genesis 7
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That is your explanation?
gcthomas
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How does this explain she 1500 m thickness of chalk came from? Being composed of the remains of small creatures, it would have taken millions of years to accumulate. How does your unverified quote help explain this?
Read the book of Genesis 7 ask God to show you truth. I don't have man wisdom but Gods'. Read the book of scriptures. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Romans 15:4 the Scriptures where written before the Evolution people came about. Read the Scriptures Sirs and Ma'ams
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6days
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A cataclysmic flood according to the article.
How did the rock form over the course of millions of years when the erosion rate is a few inches a year?
The best answer is that there was conditions which caused a very rapid bloom. The global flood model best fits the evidence causing the right conditions. (Volcanic activity causing warm water in shallow sea area)
gcthomas
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Sea beds erode at that rate? Do you have a citation for that, or did you just make it up? Looking at centuries old ship wrecks, they seem to be part covered in silt, not eroded.
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Actually, no, what you quoted explains nothing.
gcthomas
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Yes out would have been cataclysmic for anyone in what is not the English Channel. But that is naturally locally cataclysmic. Nowhere doors the article imply the event was anything other than localised.
Why do you fell the need to misrepresent everything you reference?
So, can you find any academic work supporting your humorously optimistic scenario?
If you are a fundamentalist like 6days, you get to cite an article that suggests the area was hit by a cataclysmic flood (ala Noah?) but you get to ignore the fact the article states the flood happened hundreds of thousands of years ago (a bit of a contradiction to his required reading of Genesis).
But he is comfortable with that. Amazing.
gcthomas
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Amazing.
6days, how come all the multiple radio dating methods show the Earth is over four billion years old?
False readings
gcthomas
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What sort of false readings would systematically give all the various independent methods the same great age? Be specific, please.
Please explain.
gcthomas
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A shallow sea that contained enough dissolved salts to produce a skeleton pile 1500 m thick? You obviously don't know the first thing about the chemistry of salt solutions.
You still haven't explained how a sea floor erodes at the speed you gave. Where does the sediment go? It does flow from land to sea, of course, but how does the sea floor 'erode' as you say?
What about all the methods that all agree on a great age for the Earth? How could that have happened, with those different methods?
gcthomas
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That is a non-peer reviewed article, written by a computer scientist with the main arguments written by a clinical microbiologist.
You will have to do better than that. Even at face value, this piece is only about magma chamber dating, and only for U/Th based dating, and so you would have to find identical dating errors for the other methods such as K/Ar and Ar/Ar dating methods. Do you have those?