The Sabbath
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The blood now gives forgiveness? Ascribing power to inanimate object is idolatry...
Because faith and obedience was demonstrated by the works of shedding of blood...the One Who forgives sees this demonstration and forgave through His holy priests...the blood just splattered about...
The sacrificial laws were actually grace and mercy by which sinners who wished to demonstrate their faith and obedience could do exactly that which the One they loved wanted...exactly what He was pleased with...
through the sacrificial system the remorseful ones could demonstrate their continued love and restore their relationship to Him...and testify their love for each other and affirm themselves...such grace and mercy...
Lol...neither did they kill the same animal every time they sinned...but now that the most pleasing sacrifice was offered...the debt is finally paid...no more need of blood...but His calendar remains and can be celebrated still...
What no repentance? LOL every time an animal was killed it demonstrated the desire to "turn back" to "restore"
Love compels obedience and when anyone realizes their error they naturally wish to repent...
What do you think Torah was but to LOVE Him...and others as yourself
Again sloppy...trying to add to the Word...or is it subtract from It?
Matthew 24:20 But pray that your flight might not be in winter, nor on a Sabbath.
Now read that slowly and realize that Sabbath was intended to be kept even after His death resurrection and return to Heaven...
It is NOT a command to keep the Sabbath for hard times...but because there will be hard times pray you can keep the Sabbath anyway...
Lord before sabbath? Lord of what? What was there to Lord? Darkness? Then He would have said He was the Lord of Darkness...
But He didn't He called Himself Lord of the Sabbath...showing also He was Creator God authority of all...
but using the same laws right? Or are we allowed to kill steal fornicate...
BTW Love God and your neighbor as yourself was in the OT...not really new
Lol..."the old covenant...has nothing to do with the Mosiac Law Covenant?"
Again sloppy...
Never said the old covenant was with Noah...
But what were the laws of that covenant? What were the terms and conditions of that contract with Noah? Are they annulled by a new covenant with Abraham?
Maybe you can't...
Deuteronomy 30:14, "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
Isaiah 51:7, "Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law"
Psalms 40:8, "I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart."
Psalms 37:31, "The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide."
Proverbs 3:1, "My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:"
And we won't obtain salvation by the very same method...disobedience...
But what did they do without their temple? What about the animal sacrifices? Were they no longer part of Israel? Were they allowed to murder steal eat pork...? Hardly
Again the blood just splattered it was the act of faith repentance obedience that the One Who takes away the sin of the world witnessed and thus forgave them through the priests...
well that is silly...and I am not claiming the name is salvific...yet...but
it ain't Jesus
Yeshua indicates you get it...the name game...I am at
http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html
I have heard sports announcers attempt to pay more respect and homage to a player's ethnic culture history and language than believers pay to the founder of christianity...and my Savior...
Yup...is why a new Signer to a new contract was needed...but the same Laws remained demanding the same method of signing...that of blood or else no blood was needed...
The irony of the christening to that covenant was a toast to a room full of Jews...not a goy among them...
Ummm no...shedding blood was because they realized they had not kept all the jots and tittles...
Lol...the Law points out sin...so only Israel sinned?
The fourth commandment specifically states sabbath was for the goyim and even the animals...
Just like a sign on the road you are on saying "New York 120 miles" can't get you there...duh
my point is that the Mosiac Law did not come with what later authors developed into hell...
Jews have a different view of the afterlife...
If you need a god to punish 75 years of desperate sin and deception for millions and billions and trillions of years...feel free
A Holy Ghost that leads one to live and love AS He did...fulfilling the OT laws...and with Him destroying the curse of the Law AS He did...
Leads to rest too...as Isaiah prophecied
For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure. 23"And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.
And as John saw those who kept the commandments of God...not Jesus...but His testimony
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Ben Masada
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The Apostles of Jesus did not approve his application to join the Sect based on the fact that he had been a persecutor of the Nazarenes. So, they said that he could not be a disciple. But Paul did not apply to be a disciple but an apostle. And where did the term "disciple" come from? It is only obvious that they did not find any thing in him worthy the position of a disciple, let alone an Apostle. So, he was let loose in Jerusalem and he caused a havoc in Jerusalem preaching his own gospel that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God and that he had resurrected. (Acts 9:20; II Timothy 2:8) And he confessed that it was all according to his gospel. It means that there was another gospel being preached around aka the gospel of the Nazarenes in whose agenda those things preached by him about Jesus were not in the agenda of the gospel of the Apostles.
Deut.15-
"then take an awl and push it through his earlobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life."
Does sound extreme unless you read the verse before
"But if your servant says to you, "I do not want to leave you," because he loves you and your family and is well off with you,"
We are, after all, slaves to Christ so we choose to be prepared to shed a little of our own blood for Him, as He bought us...
We might shed a lot as martyrs before have...in those times of trouble pray you can still keep the Sabbath...
Meanwhile please be less sloppy and I hope and pray you come to love the Law as I do...it points me to my saving Master...to do AS He did...
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TweetyBird
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70 x 70 is just as much of an exaggeration as 70 x 7. Jesus meant that we don't stop forgiving. Do you agree with that?
TweetyBird
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Quoting from a Talmudic source is not helping your case. The Talmud considers itself superior to the Mosaic Law.
Let's look at the actual text:
The Law of Moses:
Deut 19
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Ex 21
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Lev 24
17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. 18 And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast. 19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; 20 breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. 21 And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death. 22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.
The Law of Jesus Christ:
Matt 5
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Matt 18
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
TweetyBird
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Does this mean you are willing to nail your slave's ear to the door post and think it is humane/civilized? Do you think, compared to what Jesus taught, that we are supposed to be treating people in that manner? After all, He taught against eye for eye. He did not command the adulterous woman be stoned either. That make two things Jesus taught against the Mosaic Law. Are you going to keep saying He kept it, still?
Sure...He was teaching the secret things, the Spirit of the Law...that was new to the people...they were not taught that by the Pharisees etc...He was the goal of the law...to make us holy and pure ready to return to His Father...now only through Him is that finally possible
To think He re-opened the promise to goyim was scandal enough...but now He taught against the traditions they had worked so hard to estsblish...the letter of the Law...
Forgiveness? Grace? Yes the people had forgotten much...were deceived
TweetyBird
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The context is the destruction of Jerusalem. Apparently, being in one's house on the Sabbath and destruction come, they would have no warning of impending doom in order to escape and would instead, die.
TweetyBird
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There was no forgiveness and grace in the Mosaic Law. People died for committing sins against others. There was no forgiveness or grace, but retaliation. God told Israel that if they did not keep the letter of the Law, they would be cursed. And that is exactly what happened, time and again.
TweetyBird
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There were no secrets in the Law of Moses. God said they were to keep them as written and no one was to add or subtract from it.
The Spirit of the Law is not "the secret things". I don't know where you get that from. You cannot get to God through the Mosaic Law.
LOL you twist anything don't you?
It is all of Judea not just Jerusalem...
It says "then let those of Judea", not just Jerusalem, flee to the mountains...
adding to the Word and sloppily...
I notice you haven't responded to the writings I posted by learned men, fancy speaking scholars and doctorates of their insistence that Sunday keeping was outside the scripture and by the Church's tradition...
And yet here you are trying to insert and add something that is not there...
Or maybe you could have convinced them...
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sure it does...going to the source we can better understand how and why the Torah was taught or not...applied or not...and how and why the people were so deceived and amazed by His teaching
and here you are making similar assertions about another body additional texts...time to study not censure...test all things
good stuff there that is...we can begin to see what was taught and what was not by the Pharisees and scribes and liars whose father was the devil...
No He didn't command the adulterous woman be stoned He taught rather mercy than sacrifice...
A profound concept that the people were unaware of apparently...
No wonder He was hated by the leaders as to what the Law was really all about...
They just dragged some woman outside of court and not according to due process of the Law and were immediately reminded that they were not pure enough to apply the law shed the blood...
And yes I am going to say He was keeping the Law still...and insisted our righteousness be beyond that of those that relied on works alone...
Of course He kept it...He was to be the perfect unblemished Lamb the Law demanded...