Assisted Suicides Soar in Switzerland

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All pain is subjective.

Sure, the physical expression of it certainly is not....unless you can't show me a physical difference between an advanced case of aids and a solely depressed individual.




There are people living in those same conditions, or worse, due to mental illness (except for the few weeks to live part).
Many of them are suicidal. Should they be assisted to die?

I've never heard of terminal depression per se.

Again, the pain has little to do with it (the law).

Pain is the crux of the matter.
 

Ktoyou

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Since god is of no significance....either does giving it the finger. :idunno:
when God is of no significance to one, then it makes no difference if you take your life as long as you do not hurt anyone doing so. Freedom of religion means not having laws made by religion restrict any individual.

There may be some ways one under God, one could die by their own will, but it would have to be in the interest of saving lives, not just the will to be dead.:rip:
 

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Suicide is not directly tackled in Scripture. It was made anathema by Christians who wanted to ensure they could humiliate or torture (*ahem* 'quicken the souls of') people to turn away from their wretchedness. This included anyone from a heretic to a mere thief.

The penalty for anyone who committed suicide was a beheading of their bodies, to be then left on the ground to rot. The Church basically promised the fullest extent of shame and punishment- for no other purpose than to be sadistic and drive fear into people.

Nobody should encourage suicide, but everyone should acknowledge the reality of it instead of arguing one extreme with another.
 

glassjester

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There may be some ways one under God, one could die by their own will, but it would have to be in the interest of saving lives, not just the will to be dead.:rip:

Right - the difference between giving your life, and taking your life.
 

glassjester

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Though you'd think a suicide that would prevent 12 months of suffering would be more warranted than one that prevents only 6 months of suffering.

...If it really was about preventing suffering.
 

MrDante

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It's an easily-abused law.

And the scary part of it is, no one will ever even know how many people "freely" chose assisted suicide, and how many were pressured into killing themselves.

The poor would be victimized the most, of course.

Once again...

Colorado law 25-48-106. "Attending physician responsibilities. (1) THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN SHALL:

...

(d) REFER THE INDIVIDUAL TO A CONSULTING PHYSICIAN FOR MEDICAL CONFIRMATION OF THE
DIAGNOSIS AND PROGNOSIS AND FOR A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL IS
MENTALLY CAPABLE, IS MAKING AN INFORMED DECISION, AND ACTING VOLUNTARILY
 

glassjester

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(d) REFER THE INDIVIDUAL TO A CONSULTING PHYSICIAN FOR MEDICAL CONFIRMATION OF THE
DIAGNOSIS AND PROGNOSIS AND FOR A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL IS
MENTALLY CAPABLE, IS MAKING AN INFORMED DECISION, AND ACTING VOLUNTARILY

If they're guilted into it, they will tell the doctor it's voluntary, won't they?
 

glassjester

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One can always go it alone.

Sadly, yes.

And it's not the government's place to allow (and thereby encourage) such suicides.
So why allow (and encourage) at the 6 month mark?

That's somewhat rhetorical. My concern is that someone will inevitably make the same argument in court. That people should have the "right" to prevent 12 months (or 24, 36, etc) of suffering, if the law already allows for the prevention of 6 months of suffering.
 

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Sadly, yes.

And it's not the government's place to allow (and thereby encourage) such suicides.

I really don't disagree here. But...you know the government.


That's somewhat rhetorical. My concern is that someone will inevitably make the same argument in court. That people should have the "right" to prevent 12 months (or 24, 36, etc) of suffering, if the law already allows for the prevention of 6 months of suffering.

Perhaps, if there's a compelling need.
 
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