theophilus
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Will you elaborate on that for me?
Does Calvinism Make God Unjust?
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Will you elaborate on that for me?
It's funny how Pelagianism was universally deemed heretical, but the Catholic Church along with these Arminian inspired sects are definitively 'semi-Pelagian'- they don't mind being 'semi-heretical' :AMR:
That's basically the point of view a Calvinist sees them, which they refuse to acknowledge.
theophilus
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Please help me understand...
...if what you have said is true, then
1. Why are these things (essentially the Gospels) even in MY New Testament?
when
2. No Jew or Israelite would EVER be caught dead reading this same New Testament for fear of incurring the wrath of God?
Is God hiding something from His chosen people by hiding them where they would never look?
Doesn't that make Him some kind of cosmic Trickster?
:idunno:
Brother Ducky
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Brother Ducky
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Wouldn't that apply to all systems of theology?
You find it 'nauseating' that the moon and stars reflect God's glory but not His elect who are the apple of His eye?
Good to know.
The truth is that those as yourself simply hate wisdom and thought- you are brainwashed by your own narrow falsehood.
:chuckle:
:baby:
Figure it out for yourself.
Rosenritter
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I've read some of Calvin's literature. An English translation from the French. He was halfway raging and didn't seem to have any shame at how biased his arguments were. For example, when arguing against something, he admitted that he never bothered to read his opponents or ask them what they actually thought. He just launched attacks against them anyway. But I have to say, that seems to be consistent between Calvin then and practiced Calvinism that I see today.
Rosenritter
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But isn't that the essence of Calvinism? Shutting up the kingdom of heaven against men, entering not in themselves (because they feel no love or compassion for mankind as God wills, and they will not repent unless they think God makes them) and not suffering those who would want to enter in?
Rosenritter
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1. What is Arminianism?
2. How does that passage refuse Arminianism?
3. Why is Arminianism relevant? The subject was Calvinism.
Rosenritter
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Many does not equal everyone just like few doesn't equal all.
"Everyone" in your scripture means the elect.
To the contrary, everyone is quite heavily on the side of many. It's a great many many.
Rosenritter
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Does it count if I don't know their names? Here's TWO examples.
Matthew 8:1-10 KJV
(1) When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
(2) And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
(3) And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
(4) And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
That's ONE.
(5) And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
(6) And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
(7) And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
(8) The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
(9) For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
(10) When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
That's TWO.
Both came to God of their own accord. The leper worshiped him. Jesus marveled at the faith of the centurion. What were their names? Can't tell you. Jesus knows their names. That's enough.
Rosenritter
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Must be that only the elect were engulfed in famine!
Must be that Jesus could only see a few scattered houses of the view from the mountain!
Caesar must have ordered a registration of only every fifth person in his domain!
Wow, it's amazing at how stupid some of these Calvinist defenses can get. The word "world" is inclusive within all possible reach. It's not "Where's Waldo." AMR would be smarter than this if this were about any other subject other than religion.
Rosenritter
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Psalms 9:7-8 KJV
(7) But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
(8) And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
( See also 2 Timothy 4:1, 1 Peter 4:5 )
Hebrews 12:22-23 KJV
(22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
World means all men. God shall judge the world, God shall judge the quick and the dead, God is the judge of all.
Rosenritter
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Revelation 1:17-18 KJV
(17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
(18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 21:5-7 KJV
(5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
(6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Revelation 22:13-16 KJV
(13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
(14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(15) For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
(16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Isaiah 44:6 KJV
(6) Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Marhig, Jesus directly calls himself God using the most potent titles in the Old Testament. He says he is the LORD your God, he says that he will be the God of those that overcome. There is no other God. Regardless of what impressions you may have had earlier, or what analogies were used, when Jesus speaks here He is direct and absolute.
Good post
That's because he was too busy burning them at the stake.
beloved57
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Again, not one scripture says world means all humanity. Those scriptures have nothing to do with Salvation, who Christ died for. Thats the context of my statement.