THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE TO NOT TRUST IN OSAS.

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Grosnick Marowbe

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For those who don't/won't take the Bibles word for once saved
always saved, I suppose there are advantages. After all, you
could be saved when you wake up in the morning and be unsaved
by dinner time.

Then, the very next morning you could start the whole process all
over again. As long as you create good deeds/works, live a good
life with plenty of nice thoughts and avoid sins of the flesh, you can
remain saved that day. However, if you mess up, you can just get
saved again before the Sun goes down.

There is one problem though. What if you wake up saved and forget
to repent and confess a few sins during the course of the day? And,
unfortunately, you should die before confessing/repenting those sins?

You would lose your salvation and end up in judgment and the Lake of
fire for eternity. Thank God I'm only speaking of those who believe this way.
For we who believe/trust in our eternal position in Christ, there's no need to
be concerned/worried because we're in the Body of Christ, have the Holy Spirit
indwelling us, and we have the righteousness of Christ.

Good luck to those who don't believe in OSAS. After all, you're on your own.
 
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Lazy afternoon

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
For those who don't/won't take the Bibles word for once saved
always saved, I suppose there are advantages. After all, you
could be saved when you wake up in the morning and be unsaved
by dinner time.

Then, the very next morning you could start the whole process all
over again. As long as you create good deeds/works, live a good
life with plenty of nice thoughts and avoid sins of the flesh, you can
remain saved that day. However, if you mess up, you can just get
saved again before the Sun goes down.

There is one problem though. What if you wake up saved and forget
to repent and confess a few sins during the course of the day? And,
unfortunately, you should die before confessing/repenting those sins?

You would lose your salvation and end up in judgment and the Lake of
fire for eternity. Thank God I'm only speaking of those who believe this way.
For we who believe/trust in our eternal position in Christ, there's no need to
be concerned/worried because we're in the Body of Christ, have the Holy Spirit
indwelling us, and we have the righteousness of Christ.

Good luck to those who don't believe in OSAS. After all, you're on your own.
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Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;


Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

LA
 
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Lazy afternoon said:
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;


Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

LA
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You have no ability to rightly divide the word. Let me help you a little.
Hebrews was written to Hebrews. Not to gentiles or the Body of Christ.
I don't want you to keep embarrassing yourself in public.
 
chrysostom

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being saved
isn't
what it used to be
so
they had to come up with
once saved always saved
there was a time when saved meant just that
 
heir

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Lazy afternoon said:
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;


Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

LA
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vs. members of the Body of Christ who are aleady made partakers BY THE GOSPEL!

Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

You don't believe it.
 
heir

heir

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chrysostom said:
being saved
isn't
what it used to be
so
they had to come up with
once saved always saved
there was a time when saved meant just that
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It still means what it says.

You just believe not. Nothing new for you.


Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 
heir

heir

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chrysostom said:
who are they?
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who you and they are

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
heir

heir

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chrysostom said:
do you know what
'might be saved'
means?
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Anyone who is preached the gospel of Christ might be saved. It is up to each individual to trust the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth, the gospel of their salvation.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

...

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

You will perish because you don't believe you can be!
 
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heir said:
vs. members of the Body of Christ who are aleady made partakers BY THE GOSPEL!

Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

You don't believe it.
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Amen. LA chooses to live under the law. Therefore, she must obey it
100%.
 
musterion

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Ever notice how people who put themselves under the Law do five things...

1. They claim all of Israel's blessings but don't take the warnings and curses to themselves.

2. Those warnings and curses are left for other people, usually those who refuse to place themselves under the Law...people like us. As if we'd believe it. But they never stop working to convince us.

3. They're convinced that one's works, as they appear before other men, will invariably prove if one belongs to God. Which gives them the right to judge the justification of others based SOLELY upon what they do, or don't do...self-appointed "fruit inspectors."

4. They say they believe salvation can be received and then lost, but not one of them EVER admits it happened to them. "Sin away my salvation? Nah, that's other people who does that, not me. My works are too good to do that! But this one guy I heard about once..."

5. They absolutely HATE the idea that the believer's justification by God through Christ cannot be revoked.

Bottom line is, they seek to put others under Law, either God's or their own. That shows they're speaking by the Devil.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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musterion said:
Ever notice how people who put themselves under the Law do five things...

1. They claim all of Israel's blessings but don't take the warnings and curses to themselves.

2. Those warnings and curses are left for other people, usually those who refuse to place themselves under the Law...people like us. As if we'd believe it. But they never stop working to convince us.

3. They're convinced that one's works, as they appear before other men, will invariably prove if one belongs to God. Which gives them the right to judge the justification of others based SOLELY upon what they do, or don't do...self-appointed "fruit inspectors."

4. They say they believe salvation can be received and then lost, but not one of them EVER admits it happened to them. "Sin away my salvation? Nah, that's other people who does that, not me. My works are too good to do that! But this one guy I heard about once..."

5. They absolutely HATE the idea that the believer's justification by God through Christ cannot be revoked.

Bottom line is, they seek to put others under Law, either God's or their own. That shows they're speaking by the Devil.
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Good post Brother.
 
steko

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fzappa13 said:
So, are you suggesting that Paul preached to the Jews (the book of Hebrews) as well as the Gentiles?
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Paul didn't write the book of Hebrews.

2Th 3:17 The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle
1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ
2Co 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle
Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ
Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ
Col 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians
2Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians
1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ
2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ
Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
Phm 1:1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ,



What is missing in the opening verse of Hebrews?

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
 
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