ECT MAD is defeated by the locked timeframe of Lk 23

SaulToPaul 2

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You shouldn't be handling the Bible and you shouldn't be posting. You need 2-3 years of learning how to read and put together a coherent view.
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While I agree that an exegetical endeavor can be daunting, the crux is the permeability of the NT structure as opposed to the gripping red dirt prophecies of Ezekiel and so forth, not allowing the illumination of the Spirit to ignite our minds and further damaging the NHNE construct. Agreed?
 
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So here's the deal folks:
it's been 24 hours and no MAD member has actually commented on Lk 23, except for one stupid remark that thought I was saying 'fall on us' was connected to the moment of the cross.

This is my enduring impression of MAD members. It reminds me a line from THE GREAT DIVORCE about how the minions of Satan are always talking about things that were a century ago etc, because they can never quite bring themselves to deal with reality.

Nor is Lk 23 by itself. It is with the Thess passage on God's complete wrath, the already-desolation of Mt 23, the burnt land of Heb 6. You will never find MAD people in the know on these things, just on their theories and pre-Christian interp of the OT.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
While I agree that an exegetical endeavor can be daunting, the crux is the permeability of the NT structure as opposed to the gripping red dirt prophecies of Ezekiel and so forth, not allowing the illumination of the Spirit to ignite our minds and further damaging the NHNE construct. Agreed?
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Not agreed until you admit how stupid your remark was about 'fall on us.'
 
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Stupid is as stupid does, this Gumpian proverb holds true throughout the centuries, and for those embarking on intellectualism it can be a concept which provides reverberation and scorn. Agreed?
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Do you have a comment on Lk 23 about the nursing babies?
 
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MAD disallows this event as what Christ was referring to. In spite of the 'piles' (pun) of material and things that took place in the DofJ, MAD is totally obsessed with one item, two towers and a wall. It is stuck in the kind of literalism that the Pharisees demonstrated all the time in John. 'How can a person go back in its mother's womb?' 'How can we eat your flesh?'
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Yep.

What they are doing would be the same thing as claiming Acts 21:10-11 hasn't been fulfilled yet because the prophecy says the Jews would bind Paul, whereas Acts 21:31-33 tells us it was the Romans who bound Paul in the fulfillment of the prophecy.

Same thing with Judas and the purchase of the land, and John the Baptist being Elijah.

The MADists of today, are EXACTLY like the Pharisees of the first century.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
While I agree that an exegetical endeavor can be daunting, the crux is the permeability of the NT structure as opposed to the gripping red dirt prophecies of Ezekiel and so forth, not allowing the illumination of the Spirit to ignite our minds and further damaging the NHNE construct. Agreed?
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john w

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Yep.

What they are doing would be the same thing as claiming Acts 21:10-11 hasn't been fulfilled yet because the prophecy says the Jews would bind Paul, whereas Acts 21:31-33 tells us it was the Romans who bound Paul in the fulfillment of the prophecy.

Same thing with Judas and the purchase of the land, and John the Baptist being Elijah.

The MADists of today, are EXACTLY like the Pharisees of the first century.
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Funny, Craigie boy, coming from a Preterist, all(he taught us that) of whom assert that the Pharisees, the land Judas purchashed, John the B, were not literal, as that is not "spiritual," as it is "looking to the flesh."
 
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Do you have a comment on Lk 23 about the nursing babies?
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Luke 23:28-29 KJV
(28) But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
(29) For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.



Luke 19:41-44 KJV
(41) And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
(42) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
(43) For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
(44) And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.


In both places, it is speaking of Jerusalem and her children.
It is not uncommon for scripture to speak of a city as a mother to it's inhabitants.

It's going to be so bad, that the inhabitants would consider it a blessing if they had never been born.
 
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Luke 23:28-29 KJV
(28) But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
(29) For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.



Luke 19:41-44 KJV
(41) And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
(42) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
(43) For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
(44) And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.


In both places, it is speaking of Jerusalem and her children.
It is not uncommon for scripture to speak of a city as a mother to it's inhabitants.

It's going to be so bad, that the inhabitants would consider it a blessing if they had never been born.
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IT WAS so bad. That is the obvious and empirical truth of those babies growing to be adults and living through it as it says. Nice try, but you can't escape that he was talking of those poor folks in that generation.

If I don't find your comment on Is 21, why is it that out of 2500 uses of the OT by Christ and/or the apostles, D'ism finds the ones they did NOT use and tries to needle people about it, and say, as you did, that you know the Bible better?
 
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IT WAS so bad. That is the obvious and empirical truth of those babies growing to be adults and living through it as it says. Nice try, but you can't escape that he was talking of those poor folks in that generation.

If I don't find your comment on Is 21, why is it that out of 2500 uses of the OT by Christ and/or the apostles, D'ism finds the ones they did NOT use and tries to needle people about it, and say, as you did, that you know the Bible better?
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You're a DISGRACE.
 
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IT WAS so bad. That is the obvious and empirical truth of those babies growing to be adults and living through it as it says.


Nice try, but you can't escape that he was talking of those poor folks in that generation.
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Who do you say thy children within thee are?



Luke 19:41-44 KJV
(41) And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
(42) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
(43) For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
(44) And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
 
tetelestai

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Tambora said:
Who do you say thy children within thee are?
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(1 John 2:18) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
 
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Who do you say thy children within thee are?



Luke 19:41-44 KJV
(41) And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
(42) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
(43) For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
(44) And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
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Some of them were the same as in ch 23. It's that generation. It is tragic. Both the event, and your weaseling with it.
 
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