Hebrews says Enoch died in faith.
Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith...
Why are you being so obtuse?
How important is the Sabbath?
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Hebrews says Enoch died in faith.
Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith...
Why are you being so obtuse?
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah...
The "as" designates a simile comparing one thing to another...
One day you will probably want to figure out what is literal and what is figurative in the Bible.
Ben Masada
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How Important is the Sabbath?
The Sabbath is so important as to enhance the connection between HaShem and His son Israel. (Exodus 4:22,23)
The Sabbath is so important as to enhance the connection between HaShem and His son Israel. (Exodus 4:22,23)
TweetyBird
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Enoch was the exception.
Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
TweetyBird
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Jesus also said He was going to be in the belly of the earth. That would be about 4,000 miles down.
Probably without seaweed around His head...
One day you will probably want to figure out what is literal and what is figurative in the Bible.
Yes too bad indeed. The irony continues with Sunday keepers trying to use
"Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
17 which ARE a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ;"
to try and show all that was past and over when the present tense is used.
It also backfires on them by using Ephesians 2:14-15 to argue the Law was abolished when actually the wall keeping Gentiles out was destroyed and we are all now one family all doing as He did and commanded us to do, as we all seek a part of the that promised to Abraham.
Yahushua, after all, is a promise to reach the greater promise promised to Israel, the sons of Abraham. He is a door in that wall that used keep to Gentiles out. But now we all can step through Him and enter His house. Sabbath is just one of the house rules.
Enoch did not see death, he is unaware that he is dead.
"And he was not found"...
Enoch might not have seen his own death...but did he hide his own carcass himself?
CherubRam
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Yokes denote domestication and ownership which of course means protection and care. Hindu cows are allowed to wander around at will and rummage here and there for food.
Seems like many Christians would prefer that.
Yahushua said His burden was light. Bet His hay and barns ain't too shabby either.
Did Moses? Where is his body? Why has it not been found?
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Why is there no testimony of his faith after he was taken?
Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith...
Enoch is one of the names listed as those who died in faith.
Genesis 5:23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years.
He was buried at a site listed but his body was not found...later he appears with EliYah a real dramatic event becaus the bible doesn't teach saints go to heaven when they die.
Listed in Hebrews as He did not see death foreshadowing EliYah and the faithful alive at His return.
And 365 is the days he was on earth. Symbolic of days of the year?
Meanwhile back at the ranch they were hopefully discussing the importance of Sabbath.
Matthew 17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”
The Sabbath is only for God's people.
TweetyBird
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That is what the apostles and Paul stated clearly about the Mosaic Law.
Deception is a good answer but there are more.
Surprised more here on TOL haven't engaged this thread but maybe it's already resolved and I am late to the fray...
Most especially Catholics believe the Church was given permission to make the changes based on the binding and loosening and keys of the kingdom.
For example icons and relics were given permission to break the second commandment (their 1st) simply because Yahushua became incarnate. So it's His fault the idolatry continues...
At least they are correct in teaching it is not in scripture the change was made from Sabbath but in their tradition...as if the traditions Peter and Paul passed to them included Sunday Ham.
Other Christians claim merely because He appeared to believers on first fruits means sabbath was replaced.
It's s long list...hope others add to it.
And repent their disobedience.
Circumcision was before "Moses'" law...
And certainly Sabbath being for all man began when man was created...
It will be again in the new world said Isaiah so ya best get used to it here...
He said His yoke is light...and not having changed His fathers will that we obey Him the yoke remains.
Wandering around all yokeless like is homeless and lost...
They also teach that Joseph (Mary's husband) was not an honorable man. I believe that he was.
TweetyBird
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The Day of Rest aka Sabbath was not given to mankind until God gave it to the nation of Israel as a sign that they were His people. It was part of their covenant Law.
Not yokeless or homeless. I am citizen of Heaven - of His Kingdom. The yoke of Jesus, which is light, not heavy or burdensome.
The Sabbath was a burden to Israel which is why they could never keep it. I once had a discussion with a Chasidic Rabbi - I was curious what he thought about Gentiles wanting to keep the Law and the Sabbaths. He looked surprised and said, why would anyone willingly subject themselves to such a burden that we Jews have to endure? I will never forget the look of pain on his face. The implications of it did not hit me until years later.