ECT Who are called, who are chosen, and who are in Christ?

Nick M

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Seems you refuse to see any the holes, such as one of my favorites ...

"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as slaves of
righteousness for (leading to) holiness." (Romans 6:16-19)

You cut off Paul for the sake of perverting his gospel. Shame on you. He also said you are a slave to sin. That means you can only be in sin. I, and the other saints, are slaves to righteousness. That means we cannot be in sin. It is impossible. You present yourself with your testimony as a sinner, therefore you are a sinner and dead.
 

ZacharyB

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You cut off Paul for the sake of perverting his gospel. Shame on you. He also said you are a slave to sin. That means you can only be in sin. I, and the other saints, are slaves to righteousness. That means we cannot be in sin. It is impossible. You present yourself with your testimony as a sinner, therefore you are a sinner and dead.
Hey, the Tottie and I are in agreement about somethin' ... 'tis thou.
 

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An enormous percentage of members in American churches are habitually sinning!

51%(?) of the pastors who partook of a survey admitted to being hooked on porno!

Unless all of these church people repent they will never see heaven (Ref: the NT).

Many, many of the above were CALLED at one time and received the Holy Spirit.

If 51% of pastors admit they are hooked on Porno then it is probably more.

The underlaying reason is not addressed, but basicly men are lonely and the women are little help if ever, but rather worsen the situation.

(Women are lonely too and fill their lives up with material things, and if the husband does not provide them then the women hate them. That is idolatry also)

One can suggest that men turn to the Lord for comfort and that is true but it is still a sacrifice which hurts to deny men a natural part of their life (which many women do) which often results in getting caught up in porn.

If the sins of men are exposed, then also the sins of women are just as great, if we want to be honest about it.

Men often turn a blind eye to the sins of women because they can be so nasty when faced with them and men fear they will lose them altogether.

Something else is a reason for Pastors getting caught up in porn, and that is they themselves love to be idolized by the congregation.



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ZacharyB

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If 51% of pastors admit they are hooked on Porno then it is probably more.
... reason for Pastors getting caught up in porn ...
I'd say it's because they do not love Jesus enough to just obey His commandments!
And believing: If they sin, it doesn't matter ... doesn't help!
Your classic "grace only" problem ... thank you, Satan!
If they do not sincerely repent before death, they'll be headed for hell.
Guaranteed.
 

Nick M

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Nicky baby, please do not expect any responses from me.

I already said I accept your surrender. :)

Tottie is mad because I said tongues are evidence that one is outside Christ and believes in a false gospel. At one time, circumcision and tongues that came with it at Pentecost was not a false gospel. But it is now.
 

Lazy afternoon

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I'd say it's because they do not love Jesus enough to just obey His commandments!

as with any believers sin, but can be overcome as people grow up, and get strength in the face of tremendous temptation presented every minute in the world from many places including our own bodies which have desires that can be used in a dishonoring of God way.


And believing: If they sin, it doesn't matter ... doesn't help!
Your classic "grace only" problem ... thank you, Satan!

If God allows satan to temp us beyond what we are capable to resist, then no man can resist sinning.

but yes continued and worsening sin will lead down to hell eventually.

If they do not sincerely repent before death, they'll be headed for hell.
Guaranteed.

Why use the word "they" when there is no man alive today who never thought about it. Lets be real.

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Lazy afternoon

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I already said I accept your surrender. :)

Tottie is mad because I said tongues are evidence that one is outside Christ and believes in a false gospel. At one time, circumcision and tongues that came with it at Pentecost was not a false gospel. But it is now.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

No circumcision of the law came at Pentecost.

The circumcision of the heart began, and the washing of the body, did.

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Totton Linnet

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I already said I accept your surrender. :)

Tottie is mad because I said tongues are evidence that one is outside Christ and believes in a false gospel. At one time, circumcision and tongues that came with it at Pentecost was not a false gospel. But it is now.

Tots is not mad....the last instruction we have from Paul on the subject is that he wished that we did all speak in tongues


...we follow Paul
 

iamaberean

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It has always seemed to me that all born-again believers were “called” to be such.
But the NT warns of believers losing eternal life, gaining eternal death, being shut
out of entering the kingdom of heaven, etc.
So obviously, the following passage has been a thorn in my side of understanding …

Romans 8:28-30 • “And we know that all things work together for good to those
who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom
He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son,
that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”


However, IMO, many born-again believers who were called were later NOT chosen …
because they proved to NOT be obedient believers, and thus NOT worthy believers!
Matthew 22:14 • “For many are called, but few are chosen.”
“The gospel of Christ is preached to all men, and many hear Christ’s call. They come at first.
They say Christ’s gospel is pleasing. They may agree with it. But in their hearts they do not
fully give their lives to Christ … they are not prepared to be servants of Christ.
They are not chosen. Christ’s servants must be chosen (John 15:16).”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary -- Thomas Hale, 1996, ChariotVictor Publishing)

IMO, there is a special subset group of those whom God has called.
These special called ones actually love Jesus enough to be obedient to Him.
They are ”those who love God … those who are the called according to His purpose”.

Jesus says those who love Him will keep (obey) His commandments …
John 14:15-17 • “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father,
and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever —
the Spirit of truth … for He dwells with you and will be in you.”
John 14:21-24 • “He who has My commandments & keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and
manifest Myself to him ... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word;
and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
He who does not love Me does not keep My words …”


Questions:
1 -- Does anyone get to heaven who does not love Jesus?
2 -- Does anyone get to heaven who does not keep His commandments?
3 -- Does the believer who is a “non-keeper” continue to have the indwelling Holy Spirit?

1 John 2:3-5 • “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His command-ments. He who says, “I know Him”, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.”

1 John 3:24 • “Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.”
John 15:6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”


Questions:
4 -- Should believers who are “non-keepers” be considered to be “in Christ”?
5 -- Do “non-keeper” believers, who do not abide in Jesus, lose their salvation?

More NT Scriptures about the necessity of obedience
Matthew 19:17 • “But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Luke 8:21 • “My mother & My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Romans 6:16-19 • “… (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness”
Hebrews 3:18 • “… they would not enter His rest … those who did not obey”
Hebrews 5:9 • “… He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”
James 1:21-22 • “be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.”
1 Peter 1:22 • “… you have purified your souls in obeying the truth …”


Question:
6 -- When believers who habitually sin finally return to God by sincerely repenting of their sins,
and beginning (again perhaps) a life of obedience, does the Holy Spirit return to them?
Are they back abiding “in Christ” again?

Simply put:

1. Called - When one, who is dead, hears the word of God and responds to it.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

2. Chosen - After responding to God one accepts Jesus and is born again.
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

3. Faithful - Continuing to live according to God's word.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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I already said I accept your surrender. :)

Tottie is mad because I said tongues are evidence that one is outside Christ and believes in a false gospel. At one time, circumcision and tongues that came with it at Pentecost was not a false gospel. But it is now.

Good post Nick
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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An enormous percentage of members in American churches are habitually sinning!

51%(?) of the pastors who partook of a survey admitted to being hooked on porno!

Unless all of these church people repent they will never see heaven (Ref: the NT).

Many, many of the above were CALLED at one time and received the Holy Spirit.

Show us the survey? And, provide PROOF that the survey was legit?
 

ZacharyB

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Tottie is mad because I said tongues are evidence that one is outside Christ and believes in a false gospel.
At one time, circumcision and tongues that came with it at Pentecost was not a false gospel. But it is now.
Nicky baby ... you're consistent, that's for sure!
Once again, thou hast radically disqualified thouself.
And once again, BYE.
 

Jamie Gigliotti

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"There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus....who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:1, 4
We have a choice, God does not force us to do this. He will judge who has. It is not about us being good enough, it is about allowing His goodness and love to shine through us.

It's a victory for Satan to deceive those who don't take God up on His offer of Himself and His love and Grace at the cross and right now to come through them. He came to set the captives free, not watch them in slavery to the darkness. Saying I surrender to you Jesus is the easiest thing, His burden is light, His strength comes in our weakness.
Let's lay claim to the truth! We can do all things through Christ who gives us strength!
 

ZacharyB

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"There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus....
who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:1, 4


We have a choice, God does not force us to do this. He will judge who has.
Yes, we have a choice as to whether we will stay "in Christ", or not.
Yes, "in Christ" does not mean to have once received the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Believers who are practicing sin (habitually) are no longer "in Christ".
 

Lazy afternoon

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Yes, we have a choice as to whether we will stay "in Christ", or not.
Yes, "in Christ" does not mean to have once received the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Believers who are practicing sin (habitually) are no longer "in Christ".

Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.


Those burned refused to be cleansed, as it was the case for Judas.



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ZacharyB

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Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;
and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned
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"in Me" means "in Christ".
"not in Me" means no longer "in Christ".
So, better stay "in Christ", or end up in hell.

What people fail to grasp is ...
Believers have NO excuse for failing to satisfy their Lord.

And He is satisfied by our choosing to be obedient to His commandments.
We have been given a new nature, enabling us to be able to overcome sin.
We have been given the precious Holy Spirit to lead us, guide us, etc.
into overcoming sin, Satan and his demons, our strongholds, etc.
 
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