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Is Calvinism Anti-Gospel, Anti-Christ?
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Yikes!!
Eagles Wings
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Well articulated, nikolai. Every blessing to the ones who understand.
TweetyBird
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Which books of the Bible do you believe are written to the Gentiles?
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Unfortunately, "rightly divide" means something very different to our dispensational brethren than it does to non-dispensationalists.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-saved-under&p=4754205&viewfull=1#post4754205
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TweetyBird
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I pretty much got that part. I did not know that "rightly dividing" was a list of 10 points one must adhere to. It seems pretty restrictive. I wonder whatever happened to reading God's Word for the joy of it. Out the window with that idea huh? What I don't get is what books of the Bible are not for Gentiles. We seem to have a pretty thin Book, if one at all :help: not to mention how we are saved without a covenant - it's a MAD MAD world - pun intended
Do you see much talk of Gentiles being brought in, in the OT?
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Unfortunately, it comes down to a misunderstanding of the Israel of God underlying the dispensationalist's notions of ethnicities and Zionism.
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TweetyBird
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Yes.
You don't know what "Rightly Divide" means. That's just one of your myriad of problems.
AMR thinks that John Calvin was right divider.
TweetyBird
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What books of the Bible are written for the Gentiles?
Romans through Philemon - Paul's writings. plus the 5 Chinese Books
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TweetyBird
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Interesting. Romans speaks to the Jews. So does 1 & 2 Corinthians, Gal, Eph, Col, Philipp, 1 & 2 Tim, 1 & 2 Thess, and Titus. It looks like the Gentiles are :dead::execute:
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TweetyBird
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I don't think you care enough for me to oblige. You could look it up for yourself, but you probably won't.
Paul speaks to the Jews in his writings as GOD set the nation aside, thus declaring all both Jew and Gentile equal under sin and unbelief.
TweetyBird
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I was told that those books written to the Jews were not for the Gentiles. All the books of the NT were written to the Jews, so that means the Gentiles do not have a Bible.
Someone told you the wrong thing.
Matthew through Acts and Hebrews through revelation are written to the Jews. Romans through Philemon are written to the Gentiles.
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I can't recall Jesus saying that his death saved anyone. Here is what he did say:
Joh 12:32-33 KJV
(32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.
The purpose of his death was to draw all men unto him. Technically, his death doesn't do the saving. The living God saves, he is willing to forgive our sins, his death on the cross was the illustration of that forgiveness, and the illustration of that forgiveness was dramatic and clear so that we could understand it. Here are also things that it says we are saved by:
Titus 3:5 His mercy, washing of regeneration, renewing of the Holy Ghost
Ephesians 2:8 By (his) grace
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 By the gospel which we have received
Romans 8:24 We are saved by hope
Romans 5:10 We are saved by his life
Rom 5:10 KJV
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans contrasts the death and life of Christ. The death reconciles us and demonstrates his willingness to show mercy, but we are saved by the acceptance of that mercy and thus saved by his life. I think it is a very silly Calvinist argument to intimate that Christ's sacrifice failed if there be any that will not to turn to him.