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Theology Club: A Question for Open Theists
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musterion
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It's nothing theology related.
Amen! I am a Bible Theist! I don't usually stick my nose into theology because theology books written by men are hard for me to understand. I just stick to the bible. I am a member of a number of Christian boards, even ones associated with my church. I attend a Baptist Church.
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themuzicman
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It is entirely possible for God to bring about circumstances that result in particular outcomes without violating free will.
If you read the entire story of Pharaoh, the story REPEATEDLY says that Pharaoh hardened his heart. So, what appears to have happened is that God created circumstances where Pharaoh's response would naturally be to harden. The same is generally true of these other sections.
"Libertarian free will" is a doubly redundant nonsense term. Men have wills; if a will is not "libertarian" and "free," it is not a will.
DUDE!
None of those examples have anything whatsoever to do with you at all. You haven't been put through any of the above, you're not a Jew. You're an Irish drunk. Hehe
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There's no such thing as unlimited free will. Everyone has their own will but it is limited to one's nature, their sin nature.
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Or it could be enslaved, in bondage....as the bible says
Your eyes tell you men and women are slaves to dope or sexual perversion among a host of other things
Nope. People are always free to choose. They can always say "no."
Being a slave does not negate a man's will. He can always choose from among the options that are physically possible.
He can choose but he can't do, he will choose not to do drugs...but he will do them...that is what Paul calls bondage. "Before you knew God [or were known of God] ye were in bondage"
If man had the ability to choose to be righteous there were no need for the cross, Christ's death and our death in Him is what sets us FREE
If man had the ability to choose to be righteous there were no need for the cross, Christ's death and our death in Him is what sets us FREE
Right. You need His help.
However, "libertarian free will" remains a doubly redundant piece of nonsense. If it is not "free" and not "libertarian," it is not a will.
Not necessarily.
It's possible to not.
Not true. Man does have the ability, but has not, save one.
This is the deception that the devil holds the sinner in...the sinner believes he is in control, like the dope addict or alcoholic who is in denial.
Why would God send His Son to set us free if we were as you say already free?
Paul says we were slaves
It doesn't. It's just something to make a discussion easier. When you say "will," it must mean something that is "free" and "libertarian." Otherwise, it is not a will.
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The sinner believes he is in control because of his sin. However, he is free to give up that belief.
People are not "already free"; all have sinned, save one.
Even slaves have wills. Men can always choose from among the options that are physically possible. Among those options are paths that are not sinful.