Discussion-One on One: Abortion (red77 vs. Turbo)

[Stripe]

Okay. I talked to my daughter about this thread, today. When I told her that I had said she knew what abortion was when she was about ten, she said, "Mom, Nana told me what abortion was when I was about seven after I had seen a commercial about it on TV at her house." She had never told me that before.

Anyway, I asked her what she would want me to do if she was eleven years old and was raped and got pregnant. She said, "I would want to have the baby and have you raise it for me until I was at least eighteen." When I asked her why, she said, "Number one, abortion is killing a baby. You don't execute someone who hasn't committed a murder. So, why would you kill a baby when the father raped me? Number two, I know that you wanted me to stay a kid as long as I could. I'm glad you did that. If I were to get pregnant from a rape, I would want you to raise the baby for me because I know that I couldn't do it myself. I don't know if I would be able to handle taking the baby later or not. But, if I was eleven, and pregnant by a rapist, I know I couldn't handle it."

You're twisted and evil, Glenda.

[red77]

You're twisted and evil, Glenda.

Hardly, anything but......the fact that you would think it ok for an 11 year old - even your own child to go through such a horrendous physically dangerous pregnancy as well as the obvious trauma is what is sickening IMO.....

[red77]

People can make their own minds up, and it cuts both ways when it comes to the argument about suffering, if you think that it's justifiable for a woman to have complications and die as a result of a pregnancy gone wrong then you are placing the suffering of the mother underneath the suffering of the foetus, one way or another someone will suffer and you place more rights on the foetus




Why? Why should the woman be expected to forfeit her own life? There's nothing she can do for the child in this scenario and she could theoretically survive, lets take the scenario further, suppose the mother had more children who are dependant on her and they will be in danger if she doesn't survive, would it be ok then? Or should she be expected to die herself and have her other children possibly die as well?

Can someone please make an effort to at least address the last part of this post? The silence is deafening.......

[Stripe]

Can someone please make an effort to at least address the last part of this post? The silence is deafening.......

You have had this question answered. Mothers who love their child will give up their lives for the baby and would be repulsed by what you are suggesting. You are right, Red. A mother could eat her own child and save her own life given the right circumstances. But what you refuse to face are the consequences of those actions. Sane people aren't prepared to allow what you will allow.

[Stripe]

Hardly, anything but......the fact that you would think it ok for an 11 year old - even your own child to go through such a horrendous physically dangerous pregnancy as well as the obvious trauma is what is sickening IMO.....

You're a complete moron.

[Delmar]

Hardly, anything but......the fact that you would think it ok for an 11 year old - even your own child to go through such a horrendous physically dangerous pregnancy as well as the obvious trauma is what is sickening IMO.....

Did you really just say, that if an 11 year old gets pregnant the baby should be killed?

[Delmar]

Can someone please make an effort to at least address the last part of this post? The silence is deafening.......

Am I missing something? I thought Turbo addressed that subject thoroughly here.

[red77]

You're a complete moron.

Oh ok Stipe, please give definitive proof as to how an 11 year old going through pregnancy, labour and childbirth isn't physically dangerous....

[red77]

You have had this question answered. Mothers who love their child will give up their lives for the baby and would be repulsed by what you are suggesting. You are right, Red. A mother could eat her own child and save her own life given the right circumstances. But what you refuse to face are the consequences of those actions. Sane people aren't prepared to allow what you will allow.

Who said anything other? In this scenario the mother could do nothing to save the child with her, she would be repulsed etc etc obviously!!!!!!!! But lets take a look at what you're implying here, it would seem to be ok for the mother to eat her child (actually the child is gone, it's merely a shell correct?) if there were other babies or children dependant on her - but NOT ok for the mother to just survive by herself, is that correct?

[red77]

Did you really just say, that if an 11 year old gets pregnant the baby should be killed?

Would you rather an undeveolped yound girl go through with the physical dangers alongside the obvious mental trauma of such an undertaking?

[Delmar]

Would you rather an undeveolped yound girl go through with the physical dangers alongside the obvious mental trauma of such an undertaking?

Would I rather do that, than commit what I am convinced is murder? Why do you need to ask?

[red77]

Would I rather do that, than commit what I am convinced is murder? Why do you need to ask?

So, forcing an 11 year old child to endure a physically dangerous pregnancy and labour is totally justifiable is it?

[Poly]

So, forcing an 11 year old child to endure a physically dangerous pregnancy and labour is totally justifiable is it?

But forcing a baby to be murdered is perfectly ok with you.

[red77]

But forcing a baby to be murdered is perfectly ok with you.

Well this is the crux then isn't it? You don't deny that that an 11 year old child is going to undertake a very risky physical pregnancy that could actually threaten her life?

[Poly]

Well this is the crux then isn't it? You don't deny that that an 11 year old child is going to undertake a very risky physical pregnancy that could actually threaten her life?

A risky pregnancy doesn't justify murdering a baby.