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    Discussion-One on One: Abortion (red77 vs. Turbo)

    Debate found here.

    I can't see how anybody can read this and not see that Turbo is seriously winning the debate.

    When red77 admitted that "relieving suffering by causing others to suffer is wrong", he pretty much lost the debate right there. Every time he suggests that a woman has a right to to have an abortion for whatever reason he goes against what he said because he advocates relieving suffering by making another suffer.


    Quote Originally Posted by red77
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo
    Hypothetically speaking: If a woman's only realistic chance of survival was to eat her 2-year-old, would it be justifiable in your opinion for her to go ahead?
    I've heard this before but I'll answer it, initially I believe no, Besides from the fact that I doubt many people would be able to do such a thing I think a loving parent would investigate every realistic and unrealistic possibility first...

    now if this led to the only chance of survival then pragmatically speaking the woman is justified, where would be the sense in both the mother and child dying if the mother had a chance to live and could do nothing to save her child?
    I honestly had to read this twice just to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding. This is a pathetic and incredibly twisted thing to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poly View Post
    I can't see how anybody can read this and not see that Turbo is seriously winning the debate.
    He has an unfair advantage.

    He's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. 5020 View Post
    He has an unfair advantage.

    He's right.
    Turbo is definitely winning.

    I think his advantage is that his position is internally consistent, at least as far as their discussion has gone so far. red77 seems to be taking a position that unborn babies possess the same rights as anyone else, but that there are also cases where their rights are essentially mute. This seems pretty indefensible to me.

    If red77 wanted to win, he'd have to attack the premise that an unborn fetus possesses the same moral status as a young post-natal child, but I'm not sure he's prepared to do that, and it would involve a lot of backpedaling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    Turbo is definitely winning.

    I think his advantage is that his position is internally consistent, at least as far as their discussion has gone so far. red77 seems to be taking a position that unborn babies possess the same rights as anyone else, but that there are also cases where their rights are essentially mute. This seems pretty indefensible to me.

    If red77 wanted to win, he'd have to attack the premise that an unborn fetus possesses the same moral status as a young post-natal child, but I'm not sure he's prepared to do that, and it would involve a lot of backpedaling.
    the point is that in the scenarios we're discussing equal rights become mute themselves, one either has to place the rights of the born over the unborn and vice versa depending on which side of the fence you stand....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    If red77 wanted to win, he'd have to attack the premise that an unborn fetus possesses the same moral status as a young post-natal child, but I'm not sure he's prepared to do that, and it would involve a lot of backpedaling.
    red77 would still be losing even if that had been her position from the beginning because that position is just as indefensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo View Post
    red77 would still be losing even if that had been her position from the beginning because that position is just as indefensible.
    uh, red77 is a he not a she thanks......

    I thought you must have been a bit confused after seemingly thinking that I'd been raped after having read your latest reply asking me whether I'd taken preventative action, i said i know someone who has been raped, it was actually my sister who suffered it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by red77 View Post
    uh, red77 is a he not a she thanks......
    Sorry. I honestly didn't know one way or the other.

    I thought you must have been a bit confused after seemingly thinking that I'd been raped after having read your latest reply asking me whether I'd taken preventative action, i said i know someone who has been raped, it was actually my sister who suffered it.....
    Yeah, I misunderstood that and assumed that you were a woman. Sorry for the mix-up. I'll edit my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red77 View Post
    uh, red77 is a he not a she thanks......

    I thought you must have been a bit confused after seemingly thinking that I'd been raped after having read your latest reply asking me whether I'd taken preventative action, i said i know someone who has been raped, it was actually my sister who suffered it.....

    My friend's little child suffered it too. It was horrendous and what is sad is that some people say vile things to a child victim as if it's fault of the child. Child may get support at home but there is no support in the general community where people wait for any opportunity to point the finger. The child must face the medical and police and law professionals as well as family members of the accused and their friends in normal social circumstances eg on a shopping trip with Mum.

    I'm not pro-abortion, but neither am I pro-condemnation of a child victim or anything they may do (including attempting suicide). That would be heartless to condemn desperate actions of a traumatised child and also against the teachings of Jesus.
    LK 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

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    I honestly don't see your problem with a parent eating a child to as a last resort to survive. Why shouldn't they. If the child was going to die anyway, their death might as well not be in vain. Why should a life be lost simply because of someone's refusal to break the taboo of cannibalism? Pride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRadish View Post
    I honestly don't see your problem with a parent eating a child to as a last resort to survive. Why shouldn't they. If the child was going to die anyway, their death might as well not be in vain. Why should a life be lost simply because of someone's refusal to break the taboo of cannibalism? Pride?
    What if you were stuck on an island with somebody bigger than you, and they thought that your life shouldn't be lost in vain? Would you have the same opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. 5020 View Post
    What if you were stuck on an island with somebody bigger than you, and they thought that your life shouldn't be lost in vain? Would you have the same opinion?
    If I was certainly going to die, and I couldn't eat them, then yes, I like to think I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRadish View Post
    If I was certainly going to die, and I couldn't eat them, then yes, I like to think I would.
    You disgust me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRadish View Post
    I honestly don't see your problem with a parent eating a child to as a last resort to survive. Why shouldn't they. If the child was going to die anyway, their death might as well not be in vain. Why should a life be lost simply because of someone's refusal to break the taboo of cannibalism? Pride?




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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRadish View Post
    I honestly don't see your problem with a parent eating a child to as a last resort to survive. Why shouldn't they. If the child was going to die anyway, their death might as well not be in vain. Why should a life be lost simply because of someone's refusal to break the taboo of cannibalism? Pride?
    I have a major problem with it because parents are supposed to protect their children. If the child was going to die anyway, the parent should do whatever he/she can do to keep the child alive. I can't see how someone cannot have a problem with this scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebenz47037 View Post
    I have a major problem with it because parents are supposed to protect their children. If the child was going to die anyway, the parent should do whatever he/she can do to keep the child alive. I can't see how someone cannot have a problem with this scenario.
    I don't. Part of the scenario was the that there is no way to save the child. It would invariably die, regardless of any action on the part of the parent. It was to that supposition, and that supposition only, that advocated the parent eating the child. Of course I wouldn't advocate cannibalism in any other circumstance! What do you take me for??

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