What does God's Holy Law Demand?

jamie

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Robert Pate said:
You just don't believe Paul, Romans 3:10.
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Context, Robert. Context.

As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one." (Romans 3:10)​

Was Abel righteous? Were Noah, Daniel, and Job righteous? Was Jesus righteous?

Will anyone be made righteous?
 
God's Truth

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Robert Pate said:
You just don't believe Paul, Romans 3:10.
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Paul is quoting Psalm14:1-3; 53:1-3; and Ecclesiastes 7:20.

Ecclesiastes SAYS there is not a RIGHTEOUS man who does what is right and NEVER SINS. Ecclesiastes tells us that there ARE RIGHTEOUS men but none who NEVER sin. Paul is explaining that the Jews were sinners just like the Gentiles. Nowhere in these passages or scriptures anywhere does it say none can believe and obey before being saved. In this same Ecclesiastes 7, Solomon tells us about wise men, righteous men, and about a man who pleases God. Solomon also tells us that he found one upright man among a thousand. The Bible tells us that there are people who want to do right, and about people who do right.
 
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Robert Pate said:
It demands absolute and total perfection. Anything less than total perfection is sin.
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One strives for prefection, but the Torah recognizes that people aren't perfect, which is why there is room for repentance. And for Mercy.
Robert Pate said:
The Jews took the ordinances and the commandments and composed over 600 rules and laws for holy living that they called the Torah. Little did they know that they had just scratched the surface. If one took all of the ordinances and the commandments and really looked at what is required to keep the law, instead of hundreds of laws and rules it would be more like thousands. The Law of Moses involves ever facet of ones life, from the time that you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night everything is dictated by law.
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There are over 600 ordinances and commandments in the Bible. If you include the oral law, you reach thousands. and indeed they include almost anything you can think of.
Robert Pate said:
On the Sabbath you cannot do any work. Many Jews will not move a chair or open a drawer on the Sabbath because that is considered to be work.
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This is complete nonsense. Where did you get this from?
Robert Pate said:
I have heard that some Jews will not get out of bed on the sabbath, because throwing the covers off of the bed to get up is considered to be work.
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More nonsense. Where did you get this from?
Robert Pate said:
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The purpose of the law is to show us that we fail to measure up to God's standards, Romans 3:23 and that we are in desperate need of savior...
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This is Paul's sick theology. Sad that so many take this seriously.
 
JonahofAkron

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chair said:
One strives for prefection, but the Torah recognizes that people aren't perfect, which is why there is room for repentance. And for Mercy.

There are over 600 ordinances and commandments in the Bible. If you include the oral law, you reach thousands. and indeed they include almost anything you can think of.

This is complete nonsense. Where did you get this from?

More nonsense. Where did you get this from?

This is Paul's sick theology. Sad that so many take this seriously.
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It really isn't Paul's. It's the antinomianism that Marcion brought in. Christianity has been on that warpath since the second century.

I love your comments, by the way. Torah is grace and it's sad that more don't see that. For God to save Israel from bandage and put them back into bandage with Torah is a ridiculous idea.

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jamie

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JonahofAkron said:
I love your comments, by the way. Torah is grace and it's sad that more don't see that. For God to save Israel from bandage and put them back into bandage with Torah is a ridiculous idea.
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I think you meant bondage which was not the purpose of the Torah. The purpose of the Torah was to enable Jacob's people to know YHVH spiritually so that it might go well with them and they could stay in the land God gave to them. (Deuteronomy 4:40)
 
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jamie said:
Context, Robert. Context.

As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one." (Romans 3:10)​

Was Abel righteous? Were Noah, Daniel, and Job righteous? Was Jesus righteous?

Will anyone be made righteous?
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"There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.
 
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