You may find that Americans are sick and tired of the fundy right wing gun nuts trying to shove their religion down the throats of rational people.
Defunding Planned Parenthood
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You may find that Americans are sick and tired of the fundy right wing gun nuts trying to shove their religion down the throats of rational people.
I'm pro guns too
I'm sure Jesus would have liked assault rifles too
WizardofOz
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What does your comment have to do with abortion? :idunno:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
the guys He hung out with carried swords :idunno:
More and more defunding will happen nationwide
Adding to the momentum to defund abortion giant Planned Parenthood, Ohio Gov. John Kasich signed a bill Sunday that strips $1.3 million in taxpayer money from the organization.
Ten states—Wisconsin and Ohio being the most recent—have taken action over the past several months to cut taxpayer dollars from Planned Parenthood.
“Not one more penny should go to Planned Parenthood, a scandal-plagued abortion business that does not provide comprehensive health care services for women,” Casey Mattox, Alliance Defending Freedom senior counsel, said in a statement.
The Ohio Legislature passed the bill, H.B. 294, earlier this month and sent it to Kasich, a Republican, for his signature. Under the new law, state and certain federal funds will be directed to federally qualified health centers and departments instead of entities that perform or promote elective abortions.
Mattox, who testified before the Ohio Senate’s Government Oversight and Reform Committee to provide legal opinion on an earlier Senate version of the bill, added:
The legislation “will have devastating consequences for women across Ohio,” Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America and Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said in a statement.
At least a dozen state governments and the U.S. Congress began investigationsinto Planned Parenthood following videos released by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) last summer. The videos, which showed undercover footage, sparked a nationwide conversation into alleged illegal conduct by Planned Parenthood.
“Planned Parenthood’s involvement in abortion is well-known,” Chuck Donovan, president of the Charlotte Lozier Institute, told The Daily Signal. “The Center for Medical Progress videos have just pointed out exactly what that means in a way that you can’t look away from it.”
David Daleiden, founder of CMP, and his colleague Sandra Merritt were indictedfor falsifying driver’s licenses used during their investigation into Planned Parenthood. Daleiden was also indicted for knowingly and intentionally offering to buy fetal tissue. Planned Parenthood has claimed no wrongdoing.
“The Center for Medical Progress put this on the national agenda,” Donovan said. “So much of government ends up being pointing out something that’s been a problem for a while and finally recognizing that the bureaucracy has let things happen.”
Donovan thinks the legal battle over the videos will have “very little effect.”
The videos are not the only factor that has played into states, like Ohio, defunding Planned Parenthood.
A couple of states defunded Planned Parenthood well before the videos were released, Donovan says. The videos, he says, expedited the process and made clear how Planned Parenthood “underscored the humanity of the baby.”
“It’s not just allegations of harvesting and selling tiny livers, lungs, and hearts of aborted unborn children that have led legislators to question continued taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood,” Sarah Torre, a policy analyst in the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at The Heritage Foundation, told The Daily Signal.
“The nation’s largest abortion provider has also faced accusations of bad conduct in the past, including financial waste, abuse, and possible fraud with taxpayer dollars, and some have even been accused of failing to report the sexual abuse of minor girls.”
She added:
“There’s a lot of momentum that’s in states as well as in the Congress,” Donovan said. “The states’ actions indicate that even if Washington is tied up for the moment, states are still interested in going forward. They’re doing it different ways, but they’re getting it done.”
Ten states—Wisconsin and Ohio being the most recent—have taken action over the past several months to cut taxpayer dollars from Planned Parenthood.
“Not one more penny should go to Planned Parenthood, a scandal-plagued abortion business that does not provide comprehensive health care services for women,” Casey Mattox, Alliance Defending Freedom senior counsel, said in a statement.
The Ohio Legislature passed the bill, H.B. 294, earlier this month and sent it to Kasich, a Republican, for his signature. Under the new law, state and certain federal funds will be directed to federally qualified health centers and departments instead of entities that perform or promote elective abortions.
Mattox, who testified before the Ohio Senate’s Government Oversight and Reform Committee to provide legal opinion on an earlier Senate version of the bill, added:
Ohio’s new law terminates funding for Planned Parenthood and other abortion businesses, freeing up money for more widely available and more comprehensive low-cost health care options for women and families in the state. Taxpayer dollars should not go to organizations with a long track record of abusive and potentially fraudulent billing practices, that have been caught in authenticated undercover videos negotiating prices for baby body parts, and that have repeatedly failed to report the sexual abuse of girls. Ohio is right to end its relationship with organizations undeserving of taxpayer money and unworthy of the taxpayers’ trust.
Planned Parenthood has fought other states’ efforts to cut off its funding, arguing that its constitutional rights were being violated.
The legislation “will have devastating consequences for women across Ohio,” Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America and Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said in a statement.
At least a dozen state governments and the U.S. Congress began investigationsinto Planned Parenthood following videos released by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) last summer. The videos, which showed undercover footage, sparked a nationwide conversation into alleged illegal conduct by Planned Parenthood.
“Planned Parenthood’s involvement in abortion is well-known,” Chuck Donovan, president of the Charlotte Lozier Institute, told The Daily Signal. “The Center for Medical Progress videos have just pointed out exactly what that means in a way that you can’t look away from it.”
David Daleiden, founder of CMP, and his colleague Sandra Merritt were indictedfor falsifying driver’s licenses used during their investigation into Planned Parenthood. Daleiden was also indicted for knowingly and intentionally offering to buy fetal tissue. Planned Parenthood has claimed no wrongdoing.
“The Center for Medical Progress put this on the national agenda,” Donovan said. “So much of government ends up being pointing out something that’s been a problem for a while and finally recognizing that the bureaucracy has let things happen.”
Donovan thinks the legal battle over the videos will have “very little effect.”
The videos are not the only factor that has played into states, like Ohio, defunding Planned Parenthood.
A couple of states defunded Planned Parenthood well before the videos were released, Donovan says. The videos, he says, expedited the process and made clear how Planned Parenthood “underscored the humanity of the baby.”
“It’s not just allegations of harvesting and selling tiny livers, lungs, and hearts of aborted unborn children that have led legislators to question continued taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood,” Sarah Torre, a policy analyst in the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at The Heritage Foundation, told The Daily Signal.
“The nation’s largest abortion provider has also faced accusations of bad conduct in the past, including financial waste, abuse, and possible fraud with taxpayer dollars, and some have even been accused of failing to report the sexual abuse of minor girls.”
She added:
Meanwhile, cancer screening and preventative services have decreased at Planned Parenthood, even as the number of abortions affiliates perform each year has increased. Taxpayer money would be better spent at the many other health centers that provide a wide range of care for women without entanglement in abortion on demand.
President Barack Obama vetoed a bill that would have put a one-year halt on federal taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood. The House of Representatives failed to override the veto.
“There’s a lot of momentum that’s in states as well as in the Congress,” Donovan said. “The states’ actions indicate that even if Washington is tied up for the moment, states are still interested in going forward. They’re doing it different ways, but they’re getting it done.”
HisServant
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It's not going to get outlawed...and they know it. You have the right to seek the services of an abortion clinic...while the state impedes your progress with as many hoops-of-fire it can muster on the path to getting there....but you still have the right. Yes?
Cheap political ploy...that's all it is.
Given that the ACA is now the law of the land... PP's days are numbered unless it can reposition itself as a full service facility with primary care physicians on staff.
That's probably exactly what they are planning. They will offer primary care and comprehensive health care to keep the abortion service going and to get funding again.
But he wasn't happy when Peter used his, was he.
alwight
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Those who feel the need to worry about other people who are in the position of choosing abortion or not should perhaps just get on with their own lives and ensuring that they only ever have sex with the intent of producing wanted offspring.
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PureX
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That was never the issue. Which is why the anti-abortion folks have never been able to convince anyone but themselves that abortion should be illegal.
The issue is the right of women to decide for themselves if having an abortion is ethically acceptable or desirable. And so far, the majority of the American people believe that since no one can offer anything but their own opinions on this, that the woman should be able to choose according to her own opinion what is going to happen inside her own body. At least until it somehow be reasonably and legally determined that the developing fetus within her is an autonomous person.
Now, you can keep blowing smoke up your own fanny for another 40 years, and continue to convince no one but yourself of your superior opinion. Or you can try to address the actual issue at hand. Which is not whether or not abortion is "bad". And is not whether or not abortion is "murder". But is, in fact, who is going to make that determination, and by what authority.
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PureX
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Another way will be found to make health care services available to women. And that will include abortion. And closing down the current women's health care clinics will simply increase that eventuality, by necessity.
Eventually we will have to face down our own greed and insanity in this country, and establish a national health care system like every other modern nation on the planet. And when that happens all women will have access to health care. And if abortion is still a legal option for women at that time, then it will be part of that available health care.
At some point in the future, we will also have the technology to develop fetuses outside the woman's womb. When that happens, we could more reasonably ban abortions and simply develop unwanted fetuses technologically.
It will be interesting, then, to see how many of the anti-abortion folks suddenly turn into anti-"test tube baby" folks when they discover that it will cost them money to bring all those fetuses to term, and then raise them to adulthood. Because I strongly suspect that very few of these anti-abortion folks really care about the survival of the fetus, or the life of the subsequent person, as they claim. I think what they really want is to see the 'wanton woman' punished for getting pregnant without their permission, by forcing them to endure the consequences of their sinful sex acts.
Which completely explains why so many anti-abortion people are pro-capital punishment, pro-war, pro-guns, and pro-violence in general. They aren't really 'pro-life' at all. What they really are is pro-vengeance.
For me, it's not a matter of a superior opinion, that's you projecting. It's a rational moral decision that a brand new human life has rights beginning at conception. We are human and women have babies, a woman gives up the right to control the inside of her body when she decided not to use birth control. She had the right to prevent the pregnancy, now her rights to the new life inside her are shared with the baby.
That's yet to be seen....
Can you tell me by what superior authority do you make the following decree..on the behalf of all pregnant women across our fine nation?
It's a rational moral decision that a brand new human life has rights beginning at conception. We are human and women have babies, a woman gives up the right to control the inside of her body when she decided not to use birth control. She had the right to prevent the pregnancy, now her rights to the new life inside her are shared with the baby.
It's just my opinion and belief, not a feeling of being superior or having a superior thought process. New life has a right to life
Then be a good boy and keep it to yourself!
PureX
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As you proceed to explain why you think your opinion is superior to all others …
But it is only your opinion that this "human life" begins at conception. And many other people do not agree with your opinion about this. AND, you have no way of verifying that your opinion on this is accurate, while theirs is not. So it seems that the superiority of your opinion is completely self-assumed, to me.
According to whom? YOU? Who made you the determiner of the rights of all the women on the Earth?
She may have had the right to prevent her own pregnancy, but very often she does not have the ABILITY.
Do you have any idea how many women are raped our culture?!? The estimate is 1 in 5! That equates to MILLIONS of women who will be raped sometime over the course of their life! MILLIONS!
And not one of them had control over whether or not they got pregnant as the result of being raped.