THE UNIVERSE

OCTOBER23

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WHERE DID THE UNIVERSE COME FROM.

To me all the Galaxies were formed from Hydrogen Gas

that was compressed and ignited to form a star system

that would keep producing stars and eventually form galaxies.

All this was started with the help of Billions of Astrophysicist Angels.

But what are your thoughts ?:think:
 

Bright Raven

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Genesis 1:1 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
 

CherubRam

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WHERE DID THE UNIVERSE COME FROM.

To me all the Galaxies were formed from Hydrogen Gas

that was compressed and ignited to form a star system

that would keep producing stars and eventually form galaxies.

All this was started with the help of Billions of Astrophysicist Angels.

But what are your thoughts ?:think:

It came from Dark Matter. That is a type of nothingness because it has no atomic bonds to form a element.
 

JosephR

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It came from Dark Matter. That is a type of nothingness because it has no atomic bonds to form a element.

the new research shows dark matter affecting physical matter...

they watched a galaxy being pulled along with dark matter colliding into another galaxy... the fire works so to speak is what caught their eye to begin with.

So they co exist.....and interact... sometimes violently,but none the less true.... similar to anti matter...

So I would dismiss this hypothesis.
 

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WHERE DID THE UNIVERSE COME FROM.

To me all the Galaxies were formed from Hydrogen Gas

that was compressed and ignited to form a star system

that would keep producing stars and eventually form galaxies.

All this was started with the help of Billions of Astrophysicist Angels.

But what are your thoughts ?:think:

Hebrews 11:3 KJV - Colossians 1:16 KJV -
 

JosephR

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Genesis 1:1 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

I love how the ancient Hebrews worded this... IN THE BEGINNING....more importantly then the heavens and earth ,physical things we can see,tangible things, we see time itself start first.

I think of a plane in geometry, the plane is as we can know, "infinite"
It seems first God drew out His "plane" being time and dimensions before HE started to create physical manifestations.This also speaks to the wonders of God of How He and other Spiritual beings existed before this happened,,but "nothing" ever technically happened... see how fun it gets :)
 

CherubRam

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Where does it say then?

The bible states that before this world was created that it existed as a body of water, without forum. In order for that to be true the sun would already exist. The bible says that God caused the light to appear. It does not say He created the sun and light appeared. What that means is that there was a thick canopy above the Earth, preventing the sun light from appearing.
 

CherubRam

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the new research shows dark matter affecting physical matter...

they watched a galaxy being pulled along with dark matter colliding into another galaxy... the fire works so to speak is what caught their eye to begin with.

So they co exist.....and interact... sometimes violently,but none the less true.... similar to anti matter...

So I would dismiss this hypothesis.
Gravity and gravitons cause Dark Matter to form atomic structures.
 

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The bible states that before this world was created that it existed as a body of water, without forum. In order for that to be true the sun would already exist. The bible says that God caused the light to appear. It does not say He created the sun and light appeared. What that means is that there was a thick canopy above the Earth, preventing the sun light from appearing.

Are we agreed that He created the sun?

Genesis 1:16-18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.

17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,

18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.
 

CherubRam

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Are we agreed that He created the sun?

Genesis 1:16-18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.

17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,

18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.
Yes. God made the two great lights before the creation of this world.
 

ttruscott

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Yes. God made the two great lights before the creation of this world.

Gen 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

Please consider:
if we apply what we know of physical light to Gen 1:3 and following we get mired pretty fast...so I suggest we understand it as allusions to something else.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

WoW - light with no darkness... IF this light is the visible light our eyes can see, then by making it, it creates its own darkness...How can light be not separated from darkness or how can it be so separated if it wasn't already separated by its creation? Can this really apply to visible light? Doesn't sound like light we know, does it?

So, was GOD doing tricks with visible light or does this point to something else?

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

Does "GOD is light" refer to a visible glow or shine like a star or sun? This is weird stuff right? Does “Let there be light,” mean HE self created HIMself? Well of course not, so light is a characteristic of GOD, a divine attribute:

http://bible.cc/1_john/1-5.htm
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
That God is light - Light, in the Scriptures, is the emblem of purity, truth, knowledge, prosperity, and happiness - as darkness is of the opposite. John here says that "God is light" - φῶς phōs - not the light, or a light, but light itself; that is, he is himself all light, and is the source and fountain of light in all worlds. He is perfectly pure, without any admixture of sin. He has all knowledge, with no admixture of ignorance on any subject. He is infinitely happy, with nothing to make him miserable. He is infinitely true, never stating or countenancing error; he is blessed in all his ways, never knowing the darkness of disappointment and adversity.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
...that is, as light is opposed to the darkness of sin; he is pure and holy in his nature and works, and of such pure eyes as not to behold iniquity; and so perfectly holy, that angels cover their times before him, when they speak of his holiness:

Vincent's Word Studies
God is Light (Θεὸς φῶς ἐστὶν)
A statement of the absolute nature of God. Not a light, nor the light, with reference to created beings, as the light of men, the light of the world, but simply and absolutely God is light, in His very nature. Compare God is spirit, and see on John 4:24 : God is love, 1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16. The expression is not a metaphor. "All that we are accustomed to term light in the domain of the creature, whether with a physical or metaphysical meaning, is only an effluence of that one and only primitive Light which appears in the nature of God" (Ebrard). Light is immaterial, diffusive, pure, and glorious. It is the condition of life.

People's New Testament
John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him. The message heard from Christ, now declared, is that God is light. The source whence all light, whether it be physical, or moral, or spiritual, comes ; the Enlightener of the universe. The term denotes luminous clearness, the free and benevolent source from whence flow light, intelligence, purity and blessing, absolutely free from alien intermixture, since in him there is no darkness at all. Light represents truth, knowledge and holiness. Darkness represents ignorance, error, falsehood and sin.

In terms used by the Scripture to define LIGHT in other places, this would mean that GOD created goodness and separated it from evil…

LIGHT IS FAITH:
LIGHT is the moral attribute of goodness and life by faith unto righteousness and darkness is evil, rejecting GOD by faith, and death. And in Gen 1:4 GOD separated between them: Genesis 1:4 God saw that the light was good, and HE separated the light from the darkness.

This suggests that ALL people created in HIS image already existed by the end of verse 2 or between the verses and speaks to the free will decision that was the separation between all those who accepted YHWH as their GOD and those who rejected HIM as a false god.

So might not Genesis 1:3 read: And God said, “Let there be light,” [ie faith unto righteousness] and there was light [faith]. 4 God saw that the light [faith] was good, and he separated the light from the darkness [evil, rejecters, antagonists to HIS will].

FAITH BY FREE WILL:
Pre-conception existance theology contends that HE did this by asking for our true free will decisions to either accept HIS purpose for our creation or by rejecting that purpose because we thought HE was a false god, unable to fulfill his warnings of the consequences, and we did not have to bow to anyone. The separation was finalized by the election of the sons of light to HIS eternal church while He left the dark to their chosen perdition.

To ensure that none of HIS newly elected church would be destroyed by sin, HE gave us all the gospel promise that if any of HIS elect should rebel against HIS will will and chose to become evil in HIS sight that though that would put them outside of HIS will, it would not put them outside of HIS grace nor love and that HE would always do what was necessary to bring them back to HIM in accord with their first true free will decision.
 

CherubRam

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This is a parable. The "light" is the "truth." "Darkness" is "sin."

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
 

CherubRam

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That is contradictory to what God tells us.

Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

The bible says the world was a formless body of water before firmament was added. The only way for that to be true, is for the body of water to be near the sun. Otherwise it would have been a ball of ice.
 

6days

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CherubRam said:
6days said:
CherubRam said:
The heavens existed before God created the Earth.
That is contradictory to what God tells us.
Genesis 1:2*Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the*surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the*waters.

The bible says the world was a formless body of water before firmament was added. The only way for that to be true, is for the body of water to be near the sun. Otherwise it would have been a ball of ice.
You are contradicting what God tells us. Gen. 1:16God made two great lights—the larger one to govern the day,...
19 And evening passed and morning came, marking the fourth day.
 

CherubRam

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You are contradicting what God tells us. Gen. 1:16God made two great lights—the larger one to govern the day,...
19 And evening passed and morning came, marking the fourth day.

Are you God? The correct translation is this: And God made two great lights...

What I have said does not contradict God or scriptures, only you.
 

OCTOBER23

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PATRICK-JANE said,

Hebrews 11:3 (KJV 1900)
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,

so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Question: The Stars are made of Hydrogen

Hydrogen is in the Air that you Breathe.

Can you SEE Hydrogen. ??? = NO because it is INVISIBLE

and does NOT apppear to the Human Eye.
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JESUS is called the WORD.

Question : Who is He giving His Words to if their are Billions of Angels around the Throne ?

Answer: The Angels ..............
 
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