commonsense
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glorydaz...Since you said I can say anything I like to you....what is this word of God that supports what you say?
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glorydaz...Since you said I can say anything I like to you....what is this word of God that supports what you say?
commonsense
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As you refer to the word of God, that brings into question the origin and veracity of scripture....Is it truly the inerrant word of God to man? Be prepared
Lon
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Not trying to but in, just think of these as added support and thoughts:
Prosecutor: "You knew it was going on, but chose to ignore it! Despite the consequences it caused and the consequences of this court?"
Witness: "Yes."
Romans 1:19,20 declares you must know a God exists as 'common' sense. You can ignore it, but that's not the same thing, truth can be suppressed, but then my cohorts in thread are correct, it isn't passive, but active as such.
Similar to above, you are well-aware of Dawkin's God Delusion and likely read it.
Prosecutor: "You knew it was going on, but chose to ignore it! Despite the consequences it caused and the consequences of this court?"
Witness: "Yes."
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Lon
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Again, not butting in and this needs no redress but is commentary as you guys go along:
Yes, and am accountable for the disbelief, especially if I lived in a Muslim country. They are not nice to Christians. So yes, it may 'seem' passive, but I have, even more so these days, an active disbelief in the Muslim version, as do you. What is the difference? An 'active' disbelief requires something. Both scripture and being in a Christian dominated world surely requires an active disbelief. Not so the fsm or the leprechaun, but it is a cognizant disbelief. IOW, I acknowledge that I had to think about their existence in order to 'disbelieve.' That too is commonsense.
Lon
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Also commentary, no need for rebuttal or response:
(Sorry GD, didn't mean to bust in, you are well capable)
My point? (you can ignore all of this and call it thread support) There is no credible support for the fsm or leprechaun. None. Not true Muslim or Christianity. The atheist must/necessarily carry an active denial, especially the ones that purposely frequent TOL :doh:
Yes. I find all queries contra-wise of no report, and yep, prepared. Don't just deluge the ramblings of a thoughtless atheist website. Those kinds of platitudes aren't worth the dime their cyberspace is printed on. 2 Timothy 4:2 Start with Noah's Ark or something (I hope thats not the one).
(Sorry GD, didn't mean to bust in, you are well capable)
My point? (you can ignore all of this and call it thread support) There is no credible support for the fsm or leprechaun. None. Not true Muslim or Christianity. The atheist must/necessarily carry an active denial, especially the ones that purposely frequent TOL :doh:
glorydaz
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I supported what I said with a verse from the Bible.
It may bring into question the veracity of scripture for you, but I have no such problem understanding that God has given us the Bible, and every word is given by inspiration of Him.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
commonsense
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glorydaz
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Then why are you here? Are you trying to pretend that you have no interest in finding the truth? Perhaps you are protesting too much.....:think:
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commonsense
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Yeah you're right glorydaz... perceptive; only the dolts aren't interested in finding the truth
Lon
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As I said, you can ignore my comments. I realize I'm butting in.
I don't let up, agree.
Not true for only one reason: God says that they cannot return void. Truth, for all of us, either hardens us or softens us. We accept it, or reject it or some combination(not a contradiction, but I might have to explain).
The precision of the universe may not demand your attention to details, but it does demand a logic, a truth. 2+2=4 does not demand your belief. You may suspend it, but it will necessarily be an active disbelief when you go to the store.
The beauty of the universe, likewise demands your (my) attention. You 'can' ignore the beauty of it. In fact, it is the rare person that stops and goes "Whoah! Look at that tree today!" Change to it is usually what causes attention. When you look at the sunset different than it has been you pay attention, but an atheist, after saying 'no God' actively will not thank anybody for it. He/she feels against the nature of precision, against the nature of beauty, that there is no 'meaning' to it. That's crazy. It is just as GD gave in the latter verses.
So, whether or not scripture 'means' something to you, is your choice. We 'can' suppress truth.
As humans, we appreciate what is 'true.' It is innate to whatever degree we can comprehend it. If your quote rings true, it would have significance regardless if I acknowledge it or not.
commonsense
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Who asked "What is truth?"
Lon
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Peanut gallery comment: Well, it definitely shows your disbelief isn't passive, doesn't it? You didn't 'pass' TOL today.
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commonsense
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d'oh
Lon
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Another peanut gallery comment: :idunno: Formatting problem or thread comment?
I think I can help, I'll edit after I pop it up:
Simply calling something goat-herd fables doesn't make them less valuable. We still have Aesop's Fables and value them. Fiction? Well, we still use the OT for archeology. Regardless of how incredulous you find it, you must necessarily find it partially credulous. You'll not say that with the BoM or other religious literature. Even I recognize the Quran has factual information. You cannot uncritically pass the Quran off as a work of fiction. It is not. I may not be true (taking an agnostic position momentarily) but it isn't fiction. We actually find it in the nonfiction section of a Library. Leprechauns? :nono: Fsm? Not really in the library which should reveal something to problematic atheistic connection.
There are two different types of atheists:
a) one who is indifferent about the existence or nonexistence of God
b) one who has a visible and progressive stance against the notion of the existence of God
As far as 'agnosticism', it's best to not even try to separate the two. They are virtually synonymous. It's an intellectual sin to make lines where there are none- you'll never see an 'agnostic' any different than a 'skeptic' atheist, it is however a convenient word for those who wish to be deceitful in their actual standing.
a) one who is indifferent about the existence or nonexistence of God
b) one who has a visible and progressive stance against the notion of the existence of God
As far as 'agnosticism', it's best to not even try to separate the two. They are virtually synonymous. It's an intellectual sin to make lines where there are none- you'll never see an 'agnostic' any different than a 'skeptic' atheist, it is however a convenient word for those who wish to be deceitful in their actual standing.
commonsense
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Look....I swear I'm not dumber than the average dumb guy...just getting used to this software
and I will....so help me
Both types hope for no afterlife deep down inside. :devil: