Nurse Maria Issues Advisory on Medical Manslaughter Law

Nurse Maria Issues Advisory on Medical Manslaughter Law

Thursday August 3rd, 2006. This is show #154.

BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:

Nurse Maria: Peter Singer says that people with Alzheimers should be starved to death yet his mother gets 24 hour personal care and she has Alzheimers. I don't see her being starved. But those are rules for other people. They're not for them.

Bob Enyart: Right. And that's often the case with socialist liberal elites who think everyone should be equal except they should be rich.

Nurse Maria: Exactly. Just like our overpopulation friends. They never want to start with themselves.

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Summary:
* BEL's Medical Analyst Issues Advisory: Nurse Maria warns families about the increasing practice of hospice and hospitals over-medicating patients. A new Health Care Manslaughter Law is coming from Colorado (Palliative Care Exception Manslaughter), to a state near you!
* HPV Vaccine: Nurse Maria warns that sex outside of marriage is destructive, physically, emotionally and spiritually, and no vaccine, for human papillomavirus or otherwise, can make it safe.
* Stem Cells: If you didn't know that embryonic stem cells are human beings, then look at these snowflake children, adopted as frozen embryos! Nurse Maria explains that adult stem cell research is ethical, but killing the tiniest humans to experiment on them is immoral!
* Josiah Enyart from Denver: Bob's son calls in to ask his dad to comment on some of Denver's discouraging talk radio programming. And as it turns out, earlier in the day Bob had called the very program that his son heard a part of, to discredit a guest claiming that not Islamic terrorists, but the U.S. government perpetrated 9-11.
* Bob disagrees with Pat Robertson's assertion (imagine that!) that humans are causing global warming and melting the ice caps. The latest Creation magazine tells of a NASA report that warmer oceans would increase precipitation and therefore, polar ice! And while evolutionists have a hard time explaining the ice age (since it requires cold continents but warm oceans), Bob presents a straightforward biblical flood explanation for the ice age!
Today's Resource: Read Bob Enyart's FAVORITE anti-evolution, creation and Flood book, In the Beginning, by Dr. Walt Brown! You'll LOVE it or your money back!

So let's see: some nurse warns about pre-marital sex (heavens to Betsy!), misinformation leads you to believe stem cells somehow are associated with killing people or babies, 9/11 skepticism is dismissed out of hand (as usual), creation quack science dismisses global warming out of hand, and Walt Brown is peddling a new book.

Yep, sounds like a keeper.:cheers:

Granite said:

So let's see: some nurse warns about pre-marital sex (heavens to Betsy!), misinformation leads you to believe stem cells somehow are associated with killing people or babies, 9/11 skepticism is dismissed out of hand (as usual), creation quack science dismisses global warming out of hand, and Walt Brown is peddling a new book.

Yep, sounds like a keeper.:cheers:

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Just FYI, Walt Brown recently passed away.

"Was" peddling a new book. My bad.

Granite said:

"Was" peddling a new book. My bad.

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Actually, Bob is promoting and selling Walt's book. I have it. Did you get it yet?

Are you sure Brown's dead? I'm serious.

I'm familiar with his work and won't waste any more time wading through the man's pseudoscience. His "work" and "research" is laughable and downright offensive in how gods-awful it really is. No thanks.

Granite said:

misinformation leads you to believe stem cells somehow are associated with killing people or babies,

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Are you denying that human embryos are killed in order to facilitate embryonic stem cell research? Or are you denying that human embryos qualify as "people or babies"?

9/11 skepticism is dismissed out of hand (as usual),

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Do you have any doubt that Muslim terrorists were responsible for the 9/11 plane-bombings?

creation quack science dismisses global warming out of hand,

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Just because it is dismissed does not mean that it is dismissed out of hand. It sounds like you are dismissing the dismissal out of hand.

and Walt Brown is peddling a new book.

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Nope. Bob Enyart is peddling Walt Brown's book (which is on its 7th edition... hardly "new") just as he has been doing for years.

I'm familiar with his work...

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Yeah, right. Yet somehow you thought In the Beginning was his "new book." It's a safe bet that you've dismissed his work out of hand.

and won't waste any more time wading through the man's pseudoscience. His "work" and "research" is laughable and downright offensive in how gods-awful it really is. No thanks.

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What a substantive criticism! I am impressed.

CRASH said:

Just FYI, Walt Brown recently passed away.

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Where did you hear this?

I can find no info about this on his page, and that his debate challenges are still on the site leads me to suspect that he is still alive.

CRASH said:

Just FYI, Walt Brown recently passed away.

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Turbo said:

Are you denying that human embryos are killed in order to facilitate embryonic stem cell research? Or are you denying that human embryos qualify as "people or babies"?

Do you have any doubt that Muslim terrorists were responsible for the 9/11 plane-bombings?

Just because it is dismissed does not mean that it is dismissed out of hand. It sounds like you are dismissing the dismissal out of hand.

Nope. Bob Enyart is peddling Walt Brown's book (which is on its 7th edition... hardly "new") just as he has been doing for years.

Yeah, right. Yet somehow you thought In the Beginning was his "new book." It's a safe bet that you've dismissed his work out of hand.

What a substantive criticism! I am impressed.

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:noway:

:rotfl:

Hang on, hang on. I've recovered from the shock of seeing your latest avatar.

"Embryos are killed" isn't the way I'd phrase it, and you're putting words in my mouth. Don't do that.

When it comes to 9/11 I have plenty of doubts about what went on that day.

I didn't pretend to offer any lengthy or substantive criticism of Walt Brown, so get over yourself. The man's a buffoon with an agenda.

Granite said:

:noway:

:rotfl:

Hang on, hang on. I've recovered from the shock of seeing your latest avatar.

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:chuckle: If you think my avatar is funny, you'll love this.

"Embryos are killed" isn't the way I'd phrase it, and you're putting words in my mouth. Don't do that.

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I didn't put words in your mouth; I asked you some questions. Why don't you put some words in your own mouth by answering them?


I think these are reasonable questions considering that you stated:

Please explain why you think this belief is misinformed.

When it comes to 9/11 I have plenty of doubts about what went on that day.

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Wow, how specific. That's not what I asked. Do you doubt that Muslim terrorists were responsible for the 9/11 plane-bombings? Do you suspect that the U.S. government really orchestrated the whole thing?

By the way, the conspiracy theorist's claims were not dismissed "out of hand" on the show. They were specifically scrutinized and rebutted. Of course you would have known this had you actually listened to the show instead of dismissing it out of hand.

I didn't pretend to offer any lengthy or substantive criticism of Walt Brown,

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But you did pretend to familiar with his work in an attempt to justify your ad hominem attacks.

The man's a buffoon with an agenda.

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I know you are, but what is Walt?

Seriously, you've really made a buffoon of yourself by claiming to be familiar with his work, yet mistaking In the Beginning for his "new book." And the fact that you have an agenda of your own is obvious to everyone who is familiar with your work.

Well I see somebody is feeling cranky this fine morning...

(Trippy video by the way. I love youtube.)

Embryonic stem cell research centers around blastocysts four to five days old. I don't think anything is getting "killed" at that stage of development. So trying to imply that people or babies are getting "killed" is pretty misleading. You're dealing with a blastocyst.

Questioning the involvement of Muslims and then assuming the government orchestrated the whole thing are two very separate issues. People who question conspiracists usually do this: pose a question, then leap to a conclusion of their own making. "Well if Oswald didn't do it do you really believe the feds, CIA, military, Cubans, oilmen, spooks, UFOs, Russians, commies, anti-commies, and Secret Service DID?" Cute trick, old trick, not accurate.

I think the hijackers (whoever they really were, considering some are still alive and it appears identities have been stolen) were used. I think they were tools: patsies, if you will. Were the planes hijacked? Yes, I believe so. Were they hijacked by Middle Eastern terrorists? Yes, I believe so. (Curious that considering most of them appear to be Saudis we haven't antagonized Saudi Arabia, although we plowed over Iraq and are looking to pick a fight with Iran.) Were we told the truth about the hijackers and their actual identities? Probably not. Probably because we don't know and still don't know.

If you want to twist your underwear over a misstatement of mine, knock yourself out, but making a mountain out of a molehill is something you can do by yourself. I've got better things to do on a Saturday morning than justify myself or my intelligence to someone like you. Fair enough, cupcake?

Granite said:

Embryonic stem cell research centers around blastocysts four to five days old. I don't think anything is getting "killed" at that stage of development. So trying to imply that people or babies are getting "killed" is pretty misleading. You're dealing with a blastocyst.

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Is the blastocyst living?

Is the blastocyst human?

When exactly does a human's life begin, Granite?

We've been down this road before, but I'm happy to go down it again. A human blastocyst is a living human being (i.e. a person). A human being comes into existence when a human sperm fertilizes a human egg, forming a new individual with a complete and unique set of human DNA.

You assert that life begins at some arbitrary or unknown point after fertilization in an attempt to dehumanize those humans in the earliest stages of development in order to justify killing those humans. You call yourself pro-life, yet you use the same tactics as every other pro-abort. The only difference is that your arbitrary are at which you no longer think it's okay to kill babies earlier than most other pro-aborts.

Questioning the involvement of Muslims and then assuming the government orchestrated the whole thing are two very separate issues. People who question conspiracists usually do this: pose a question, then leap to a conclusion of their own making. "Well if Oswald didn't do it do you really believe the feds, CIA, military, Cubans, oilmen, spooks, UFOs, Russians, commies, anti-commies, and Secret Service DID?" Cute trick, old trick, not accurate.

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Again, you haven't bothered to listen to the show, so you make a fool of yourself. It was the conspiracy theorist who suggested that the U.S. government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks; Bob didn't just bring it up out of the blue.

Granite said:

Well I see somebody is feeling cranky this fine morning...

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I'm curious. Why is it that when person refutes what you have to say in a big way, no matter how cool, calm and collective they are, you make some comment about them being "cranky" or suggest that they are in some kind of bad mood?

Poly said:

I'm curious. Why is it that when person refutes what you have to say in a big way, no matter how cool, calm and collective they are, you make some comment about them being "cranky" or suggest that they are in some kind of bad mood?

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Gee Poly, settle down. It's Saturday, you know. Don't you have a life or something? There's no need to get your underwears all up ons. :yawn:

Turbo said:

Is the blastocyst living?

Is the blastocyst human?

When exactly does a human's life begin, Granite?

We've been down this road before, but I'm happy to go down it again. A human blastocyst is a living human being (i.e. a person). A human being comes into existence when a human sperm fertilizes a human egg, forming a new individual with a complete and unique set of human DNA.

You assert that life begins at some arbitrary or unknown point after fertilization in an attempt to dehumanize those humans in the earliest stages of development in order to justify killing those humans. You call yourself pro-life, yet you use the same tactics as every other pro-abort. The only difference is that your arbitrary are at which you no longer think it's okay to kill babies earlier than most other pro-aborts.


Again, you haven't bothered to listen to the show, so you make a fool of yourself. It was the conspiracy theorist who suggested that the U.S. government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks; Bob didn't just bring it up out of the blue.

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I wouldn't characterize a blastocyst as human. I'd say "life" begins when we can quantify it--heart beat, brain waves. I certainly don't try to dehumanize anyone or anything. If a blastocyst qualifies as "human" in your book, fine, but what I see is a four day old cell that doesn't resemble anything "human" in any way, shape, or form. No sentience, no ability to feel pain, nothing recognizably human.

I know who brought up the theory; never said otherwise, did I. I was criticizing the thinking and the attitude. Nice job not addressing a thing I said vis a vis 9/11, the hijackers, their identities, any of it.

By the way, since you're on a crusade to point out "fallacies" and "ignorance," how about addressing claims that Brown is dead. Now there is a classic example of walking into a wall, because so far as I can gather the man's still vertical.

Poly said:

I'm curious. Why is it that when person refutes what you have to say in a big way, no matter how cool, calm and collective they are, you make some comment about them being "cranky" or suggest that they are in some kind of bad mood?

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Typical liberal tactic along with the condescending "laugh" and other antics with the goal of deflecting the fact they are unable to substantially argue the point being debated.

wholearmor said:

Typical liberal tactic along with the condescending "laugh" and other antics with the goal of deflecting the fact they are unable to substantially argue the point being debated.

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At least I don't talk like a stuffed shirt without a clue.:devil:

Granite says a human embryo has "nothing recognizably human."

Granite says a human embryo has "nothing recognizably human."

Granite says that a human embryo:

Granite said:

doesn't resemble anything "human" in any way, shape, or form.

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Turbo, I imagine Granite is unaware of genetics, and the embryo DNA's four billion base pairs, which not only "resemble" something human, but are exactly and identically human in every "way, shape [and] form."

But then, that's just genetics, and you can't expect Granite to see much significance in something so tiny.

Then Granite thought he was describing an embryo when he wrote:

Granite said:

No sentience, no ability to feel pain, nothing recognizably human.

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But Granite's claim--that a human embryo is not sentient--is false. And since he is unqualified to find "[any]thing recognizably human" in an embryo, I don't think he's intellectually honest enough to process the argument for the tiny one's sentience.

-Bob Enyart

Bob: when you provide a response two days after the fact once a thread's gone dormant, then trot out your armchair "findings" at your leisure, you are indulging in intellectual dishonesty of a real cheap nature.

Your patronizing attitude is nothing new to me and doesn't surprise me in the least, nor does this hit and run post. Nice job, sir.

For the record, Bob, I was referring to a blastocyst, not an implanted embryo. Apples and oranges. A four day old blastocyst is not the same as an implanted embryo and I think you know that.

So, if you don't mind, get back to me.