Should homosexuals be given the death penalty?
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They also don't often understand how completely human and like us they really are. Alot of Christians have this image of a flaming queen or a butch wrench monkey, but it's not like that. They are just like us, with problems just like us. They ARE us. Plus, If you looked at the number of Christians who would actually change if they were homosexual, it would not be a number that the average Catholic would suspect. Asking a homosexual to condition themselves from liking the same sex to liking the opposite sex IS the equivelant in terms of how hard it is as asking a hetrosexual to do the opposite. Do half of you Christians even know how hard that is? Think along the lines of drug addiction. Presuming that homosexuals have some kind of switch to decide who like is absurd and ridiculous. I say, find that switch on yourself first, you hypocritical Son of a...*cough*..wonderful God. Caught myself there.
So you know where I stand, I do believe homosexuals should change. But acting like it's not hard is hypocritical and revolting.
Everyone is such a dirty, dirty rockstar. :rain:
So you know where I stand, I do believe homosexuals should change. But acting like it's not hard is hypocritical and revolting.
Everyone is such a dirty, dirty rockstar. :rain:
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eisenreich
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None of the biblical references to Sodom mention sexual sins but view Sodom as an example of injustice, lack of hospitality to strangers, idolatry and as a symbol for desolation and destruction. Would you like to see the related Bible verses..?Just Tom said:
Tom, for someone who claims to know the Bible, you and Cletus, and this board are the last remnants of the people in the world to still believe that this parable has anything to do with homosexuality.. The story of Sodom clearly teaches that evil and violent people who attack aliens and strangers whom they do not know or understand receive God's quick and terrible punishment.
Since you will filter out everything in this post, please address this point, S&G was condemned to be destroyed before the angels arrived, how then, does the destruction relate to said homosexuality..?
Related Bible verses, if you can find another that relates S&G to homosexuality (outside of the story in Genesis), feel free to post it:
Just so you don't sound completely ignorant when spouting off your BS about homosexuality..
I openly advocate the execution of adulterers and in fact did so just a few posts before this one that I'm responding too (don't worry, I don't read a lot of these mindless posts either`Love. said:I scanned up the page and I scanned down the page. That was about the extent.
Ok, I went to The Bible Online and checked that chapter out. Um, I'm not sure about the context there. It counts adultery in that same category, as well as cursing out your parents and doing work on the Sabbath. (Curse your parents could have a number of definitions.) I've yelled and said hateful things to my Father, should I be put to death? (I will say he deserved it.) I've also worked on the Sabbath, should I prepare for the man with the giant axe? I don't see anyone advocating the slaughter of those who have commited adultery, those who have gotten fed up and yelled at their parents or those who have worked on the Sabbath. I have a feeling we would be missing 90% of our population.
This really sounds like one of those, OT, NT things. We aren't Israel. These rules look like they were for Israel, a.k.a Before Christ.
.)You are at least partially correct however; some of the laws given by Moses were about Israel. There were laws that had to do with morality and others that had to do with symbolism and religious practice and separating Israel from the rest of the world. For some of the laws it is more difficult to tell which category they fit in than it is for others but one of the major ways to tell is to see if one law could conflict with another. Take observing the Sabbath and Circumcision for example, circumcision was considered a work of the flesh and was to be performed on the eighth day of a newborn’s life. Ever wonder what happened if the eighth day fell on Saturday or some other Sabbath day? Do you see how they can conflict with one another? The answer is that the baby would be circumcised because circumcision to precedence over the Sabbath but that really isn't the point. The point is that you can know that these are not moral laws but rather symbolic ones because no moral laws ever conflict with one another. No one will ever have to commit adultery in order to keep from murdering them or rob someone's house in order to keep from raping their children. Thus moral laws are absolute and applied to more than just Israel (thus the just destruction of cities like Sodom and Nineveh).
It seems clear that you are rendering little more than your own personal opinion in these matters. If you're interested in actually knowing what the Bible teaches concerning such things I recommend going to www.kgov.com and getting Bob Enyart's "Focus on the Strategy" video and/or his "God and the Death Penalty" video and/or his audio series on God's criminal justice system. These will keep you from saying things like,
"I have a feeling we would be missing 90% of our population."
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"This really sounds like one of those, OT, NT things."
Such comments display a great deal of Biblical ignorance that, while completely typical is, in my view, inexcusable in the law term. I'm not trying to insult you so please don't take it that way but it's just that you sound like Granite for crying out loud! No Christian should ever sound anything at all like Granite. :nono:
Resting in Him,
Clete
Don't you guys get it! Man! I can't believe that you guys call yourselves Christians and can think this way!kmoney said:
IT'S NOT UP TO YOU!!!!
What makes you think you have the right to decide such things? Are you God? Do you sit in the judgment seat of Christ? Who died and made you the arbiter of the law and it’s punishments?
You should be ashamed of yourselves! All of you who think you're smarter than God and have justice all figured out as though God got up on the wrong side of the bed that millennium when He had Moses write all that antiquated crap down. What do you think, that God went to a shrink and got to some latent homosexual issues resolved and that He therefore doesn't consider them to be quite as evil now as He did in Moses' day? That's so repulsive that I had a hard time typing it!!!!
You and love and whomever else who thinks this way need to repent of your gross arrogance and fall on your faces before the God who made you and then bought you at the price of His own blood and start thinking Biblically and stop sitting your asses on God's thrown or else stop calling yourselves Christians!
Resting in Him,
:Clete:
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On Fire
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Would YOU like to see how wrong you are?eisenreich said:
Jude 1:5-7
5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
eisenreich
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This reminds me of Sozo's mental illness thread.. "Man, how can you call yourselves Christians if you all don't assign to MY bigoted, narrow view of how the bible should be interpreted! Obviously, I'm the only one who gets it!" I already know the reponse: my view is God's view, so therefore, I'm right..Clete said:
Except that we aren't talking about two opposing and defensable interpretations of Scripture. We are talking about Christians who offer their opinion in direct opposition to the plain reading of the text of Scripture as though they had something to say about what is and is not just! It's pathetic, its sinful and they (and now it seems you as well) should repent. Period.eisenreich said:
Resting in Him,
Clete
eisenreich
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Thanks for the reply, I overlooked the analysis for this verse in another reading (I didn't think that would merit a negative rep, but apparently you did) The verse above comes from the NIV, which I believe most here have a strong aversion to, why I'm not exactly sure. Anyway, most other editions, such as the NASB (noted for its accuracy in translation, as opposed to the NIV) translate Jude 1:5-7 as:On Fire said:
In the original Greek language, the words for “strange flesh” are hetero sarkos, meaning “different flesh”. (Ironically, the word “heterosexual” is derived from this.) So, hetero means “different”, and sarkos means “flesh.” This has nothing to do with sex, much less homosexuality. In fact, sarkos is never used in the NT as a word for sex. Many scholars interpret this as meaning foreign idols or people, particularly the angels (having non-human flesh) because it is more of leap to say it’s anything else.
A condemnation of homosexual sex/rape cannot be forced into a condemnation of homosexuality in general. If so then we might as well condemn heterosexuality for the condemnation of heterosexual rape in Judges 19:22-25 (which is nearly identical to Genesis 19). Judges is an account of the same circumstances that Lot faced in Sodom. Only it’s a Levite in the land of Gibeah. Like the Sodom story, there’s a mob of men wanting the Levite’s male guest to come out so that they can know him. Like Lot, the Levite offers his daughter and a concubine (secondary wife) to the mob. Unlike the Sodomites, the mob eventually settles for the concubine and they spend the night raping and abusing her.
There are no records showing that Jewish scholars, before the time of Christ, took either one of these stories as having any connection with homosexuality or sexual orientation. Instead they equate it with inhospitality and debauchery. If you have a source, please share with us.
eisenreich
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They can't, but that certainly won't stop them from demonizing an entire group of people. The Lard JEESUS, the Christ in Christianity, said them homos should go to hell. Oh wait, no he didn't. It was Paul, who never conversed with or even met Jesus, or it's taken from some vague, obtuse parable in the OT.Urizen said:
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eisenreich,
Homos do a fine job of demonizing themselves. When they are out on public streets half naked getting a spaknin' on a float, when they "cruise" public parks to share their diseases, when they allow known child molesters to work side by side with them, when their excuse for lack of self control is "I thought it was AIDS day", when they "bug seek" and "gift give"...
The last thing "all the men both young and old" did in Sodom was attept to rape two visiting men to their town. It appears you can't quite grasp God has a standard. Maybe it's because you don't believe you will be held to it. I can understand that, it's a scarey thought.
Homos do a fine job of demonizing themselves. When they are out on public streets half naked getting a spaknin' on a float, when they "cruise" public parks to share their diseases, when they allow known child molesters to work side by side with them, when their excuse for lack of self control is "I thought it was AIDS day", when they "bug seek" and "gift give"...
The last thing "all the men both young and old" did in Sodom was attept to rape two visiting men to their town. It appears you can't quite grasp God has a standard. Maybe it's because you don't believe you will be held to it. I can understand that, it's a scarey thought.