ECT Seeking list of Hebrews verses from MADs/D'ists that are allowed for Christians

Interplanner

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What a pile of poop! Your made up "age of the apostles" is nonsense. Just another vain attempt to change what the scripture actually says and somehow nullify the promises that God made to Israel. Promises that Christ CONFIRMED (Roman 15:8).


No, they were taught about the kingdom for 40 days by Christ and THEN IMMEDIATELY asked WHEN the kingdom would be RESTORED to Israel.

They understood; you don't!


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Nice juggling but somewhere else please.

The disciples did not understand at Acts 1. That is why "But..." is so forceful. Your 2P2P addiction has hidden this.

The promises christ confirmed are that his gospel is jsutificaton for all mankind who believe. That is why there are 4 quotes in support in vs 9-12. All OT passages. But we don't even need them to know this. We need v9. The promises allow the Gentiles to praise God for his mercy (11:30 for that theme).

Your reading is selective and vacuous even when the best explanations of things are right there in the text.
 

Interplanner

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why on earth would Christ have told them they were going to all nations, only to turn around and affirm something about a theocracy for Israel, only to turn again and tell them they would get power to preach to all nations?

Keep your confusion to yourself; it is juvenile.
 

Right Divider

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Nice juggling but somewhere else please.
The juggler is you, but you can't even understand that.

The disciples did not understand at Acts 1. That is why "But..." is so forceful. Your 2P2P addiction has hidden this.
Of course they understood; you don't. The "But..." is just another made up need to you have to correct the Bible based on your books about.

The promises christ confirmed are that his gospel is jsutificaton for all mankind who believe. That is why there are 4 quotes in support in vs 9-12. All OT passages. But we don't even need them to know this. We need v9. The promises allow the Gentiles to praise God for his mercy (11:30 for that theme).
Believe what is being quoted and you might have a chance to understand it:

Deut 32:43 (KJV)
(32:43) Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people.

Ps 117:1-2 (KJV)
(117:1) O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. (117:2) For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD [endureth] for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

Isa 11:10-12 (KJV)
(11:10) And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (11:11) And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. (11:12) And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Your reading is selective and vacuous even when the best explanations of things are right there in the text.
No, yours is .... so there!
 

SaulToPaul 2

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why on earth would Christ have told them they were going to all nations, only to turn around and affirm something about a theocracy for Israel, only to turn again and tell them they would get power to preach to all nations?

Keep your confusion to yourself; it is juvenile.

Matthew 10:23 (KJV)

Think, McFly, think!
 

Interplanner

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The juggler is you, but you can't even understand that.


Of course they understood; you don't. The "But..." is just another made up need to you have to correct the Bible based on your books about.


Believe what is being quoted and you might have a chance to understand it:

Deut 32:43 (KJV)
(32:43) Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people.

Ps 117:1-2 (KJV)
(117:1) O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. (117:2) For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD [endureth] for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

Isa 11:10-12 (KJV)
(11:10) And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (11:11) And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. (11:12) And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.


No, yours is .... so there!



Paul was supporting v9, not 2P2P. : )

There is nothing wrong with spiritual meaning. It's why we don't think circ is the end all, why we don't sacrifice animals, etc etc.
 

Interplanner

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Hey how about the answer to the OP any day soon? It's some unfinished business STP started a month ago and is in denial about answering.
 

Right Divider

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Hey how about the answer to the OP any day soon? It's some unfinished business STP started a month ago and is in denial about answering.
The question in the OP was contrived hogwash. That is why you will not get an answer to it.

You are always dishonest with your arrogant approach to "discussion" here.
 

Danoh

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It is ever fascinating how close you come to seeing a thing for what it actually is, IP, only to not see it for what it actually is.

The Twelve's commission was prophesied as being to Israelites in the land; first.

Then to those Israelite's scattered abroad.

That they might then collectively sing His praises among the nations as His witness to them.

But as STP has just pointed out once more - He also told them they would not get past the cities of Israel with all that before His return...

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

That is also the sense of the following...

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

What happened?

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Hunh?

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Until then, and towards that...

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


But until then, and towards that...

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

In short...

"...verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."

Not mission impossible, rather; mission delayed.

Why?

Luke 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

As had been Daniel's prayer in Daniel 9, that is Stephen's "prayer of a righteous man" - also according to the Law - on behalf of His nation in light of God's Covenant unto Abraham concerning "ye sons of Jacob" - Mal. 3:6.

Result; already within God's plan and purpose?

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
 
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