genuineoriginal
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The UN is existing rent free on American soil and needs to pay rent.
This can be done by insisting that the UN issue carbon credits to offset all the CO2 production done in the USA, which will also solve global warming.
The UN demands the US pay Reparations
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This can be done by insisting that the UN issue carbon credits to offset all the CO2 production done in the USA, which will also solve global warming.
HisServant
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What do you honestly think they would do with it.... 70%+ of lottery ticket winners are in serious financial trouble within 5 years of their windfalls.
Most would squander the money and then come back to the trough.... it doesn't matter what color they are.
genuineoriginal
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Not quite.
They must also prove that their ancestors were kidnapped by white slavers instead of already being slaves that were purchased from Muslims and neighboring African tribes.
genuineoriginal
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My ancestors never owned slaves as far as the historical documentation and family history shows.
Why should I pay for something I never had any part of?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
and who's gonna account for the advantages those slaves and their ancestors had over all their relatives still living in squalor, deprivation and disease in africa?
The Berean
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Writer Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote this long essay on the case for reparations for black Americans.
The Case for Reparations
Here is the National Review's response to Coates essay.
The Case against Reparations
The Case for Reparations
Here is the National Review's response to Coates essay.
The Case against Reparations
HisServant
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True, people seem to forget that they only reason the slave trade could exist was that the tribes of Africa had a lot of people they didnt want and instead of just killing them, they could make a quick buck selling them. There were many wealthy kings in Africa that made their wealth from capturing and selling slaves.
genuineoriginal
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My ancestors came here voluntarily.
You are claiming that black people did not come here voluntarily, so they should have no claim on remaining here voluntarily.
Selaphiel
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Traditio said:
You doubt it on what grounds? The musical quality of hip hop is not about melodic complexity, it is about beat and the flow of the lyrics.
No, the question is whether they suffered unjust systemic abuse.
And? What do you know about music? You have a Metallica album as your avatar...Just saying, the epitome of popularist mediocrity within metal.
Social studies disagree with you. Poverty and the lack of oppurtunities that come with that are a rather strong correlate of crimes like that.
Yeah, you are not racist, not at all. Your statements sounds like something off a Johnny Rebel album.
That's one and a half generation, nothing on a historical scale. Your understanding of social issues are lacking to say the least. Do you think a systemic issue like the virulent racism just ended over night in 1968 and that all issues were solved just like that? Seriously, how naive are you?
genuineoriginal
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I see you (alone) are taking responsibility for enslaving black people.
Therefore, you (alone) should pay restitution.
Problem solved.
What's the TL;DR for it? Can it be reduced to a straight forward syllogism?
1. Premise
2. Premise
3. Therefore, black people are owed reparations?
QED.
"What need have we of witnesses?"
Not in the context in which I was speaking. RexLunae's claim was that white people have benefited because of slavery unjustly, and that in comparable cases, the defendants of such a case should have to forfeit their gains to the plaintiffs.
The question I subsequently asked:
Is it the case that, in the long run, we actually have gained more than we have lost?
Against this claim, I present rap music. Nuff said.
Enough to know that it generally involves instruments.
They use instruments. Just saying.
Note the key word.
Let's suppose that I'm a racist. Calling me a racist isn't an argument in favor of your position or against mine. It's a complete ad hominem. :idunno:
genuineoriginal
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I personally know a white person of Jewish descent that received funding from the United Negro College Fund...
:think:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
genuineoriginal
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It comes down to whether the person has assimilated into the American culture or is refusing to be assimilated.
Yes, colleges and universities give preference to racial minorities because it is in their best interests to continue to receive Federal funding in the forms of student loans and grants, despite having to admit people based on race that do not meet the admission standards set for general admission.
In other words, this is sufficient reparation for any perceived loss in social or economic means due to having dark skin?
genuineoriginal
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Selaphiel
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Traditio said:
If you knew anything about music, you would know that beat is a musical concept. Hip hop and rap focuses on beat and rhytm over melody.
"We have gained" and "we have lost". Are they not part of that "we" themselves? What if their lacking productivity is due to the very abuse they seek reparations for?
Your musical preference is not an argument.
So acapella and Gregorian chant is not music? That's a rather strange definition of music.
Music is defined by instruments only insofar that instruments are what makes us able to produce melody, beat, rhytm and harmony.
Hip-hop and rap doesn't use instruments? It may use synthesizers and the human voice and what not, but their purpose is to produce melody, beat, rhytm, melody and harmony as well. Rap and Hip hop focusing on beat and rhytm.
Yes, because social scientists have no idea how to check correlations and form proper hypotheses...
It would be an ad hominem fallacy if I followed it up with a "therefore you are wrong".
"You are an idiot." Is not an ad hominem fallacy, it is just rude.
"You are an idiot, therefore you are wrong." That would be an ad hominem fallacy.
genuineoriginal
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You need to be more specific than that.i personally know a white person
There is more than one white person in the area of Canada you claim to be living in.
:think:
Why don't we try to get Canada to pay reparations for American slavery?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
i live in the us - about 4 miles from the border
and canada's busy trying to accommodate their indigenous peoples - heck, they were still taking their children away from them twenty years ago, trying to kill the culture
it's a mess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system