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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord5
    It is not legislated one way or the other. The federal government has not made any laws regarding same sex marriage.

    Maybe you should take your own advice.


    Just answer the question you moron.

    YES or NO? Do you believe that in regard to marriage EVERYONE should have the same rights, regardless?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight


    Just answer the question you moron.

    YES or NO? Do you believe that in regard to marriage EVERYONE should have the same rights, regardless?
    Name calling? Nice.


    Yes.

    Felons and non citizens excluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord5
    Name calling? Nice.
    If the shoe fits...

    Yes.

    Felons and non citizens excluded.
    So non-citizens don't have a right to life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord5

    Pedophilia, again, a no brainer. Children are incapable of making rational decisions until after puberty is complete. Legally, no person under the age of 18(with rare exception) are able to enter into any binding contract. This includes marriage. The exceptions to this are the Delayed Entry program for the military, where a 17 year old can sign a contract that is binding to enter the military upon turning 18 and finishing school. Attending school is another contract that is binding to a minor, although that is not one signed by them, but legislated.
    FIrst, let me make clear, not that one should feel compelled to do so, that I of course do not support any type of pedophilia. Disclaimer made.....since when are children incapable of making a rational decision until puberty is complete? I find that statement rather ignorant. Maybe you were too hasty in your explanation and overlooked the fact, but children are quite capable of making rational decisions at very young ages, therefore, if that is your basis for not supporting this sort of thing, then you might want to rethink this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Eyed Jack
    So non-citizens don't have a right to life?
    Not a discussion about life, or right to have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minerva
    FIrst, let me make clear, not that one should feel compelled to do so, that I of course do not support any type of pedophilia. Disclaimer made.....since when are children incapable of making a rational decision until puberty is complete? I find that statement rather ignorant. Maybe you were too hasty in your explanation and overlooked the fact, but children are quite capable of making rational decisions at very young ages, therefore, if that is your basis for not supporting this sort of thing, then you might want to rethink this.
    You may want to read up on your psychology.
    Decisions made by children, are done so without the ability to judge future consequences of those decisions. On a rudimentary level, yes they can understand that if they touch a hot stove, it will result in pain. But, they are unable to grasp more abstract situations and consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord5
    Not a discussion about life, or right to have it.
    You're the one who brought up the inalienable rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, so answer the question. Do non-citizens have an inalienable right to life -- yes or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord5
    Name calling? Nice.
    Sometimes there is no other choice.

    Fnord5, being a polygamist is not a felony, just as being a homosexual is not a felony. Yet, for both polygamists and homosexuals marriage is not currently legal in most states.

    Similarly there are people in this country that support incestual relationships. It isn't a felony to advocate incestual relationships. There are people who think the laws against incestual relationships (and marriages) should be overturned just as you believe that homosexual marriages should be made legal. Based on your defense - "EVERYONE has the same rights, regardless." you have no standing to tell them otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight
    Sometimes there is no other choice.

    Fnord5, being a polygamist is not a felony, just as being a homosexual is not a felony. Yet, for both polygamists and homosexuals marriage is not currently legal in most states.

    Similarly there are people in this country that support incestual relationships. It isn't a felony to advocate incestual relationships. There are people who think the laws against incestual relationships (and marriages) should be overturned just as you believe that homosexual marriages should be made legal. Based on your defense - "EVERYONE has the same rights, regardless." you have no standing to tell them otherwise.
    Actually, polygamy is a felony. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...polygamy_x.htm
    Yes, arguing for the overturning of incest laws is not illegal, but you cannot compare the two situations.

    Same sex marriage is not a crime, incest and polygamy are. Same sex marriage has neither been formally legalized, or outlawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord5
    You may want to read up on your psychology.
    Decisions made by children, are done so without the ability to judge future consequences of those decisions. On a rudimentary level, yes they can understand that if they touch a hot stove, it will result in pain. But, they are unable to grasp more abstract situations and consequences.
    First....Do you even have children? I have 4 and I watch them make rational decisions every day....even complex ones.(Then again I am the proud parent of some very intelligent children)

    Second.....I am fully "read up" on my psychology.

    Third.....Check your dictionary for the definition of the word "rational" then, pay close attention to your own words here....

    "Children are incapable of making rational decisions until after puberty is complete"

    You statement is incorrect. It is only your opinion that a child in unable to grasp an abstract situation and the resulting consequences.
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    I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.

    If a cannibal used a knife and fork, would you call that progress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Eyed Jack
    You're the one who brought up the inalienable rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, so answer the question. Do non-citizens have an inalienable right to life -- yes or no?
    Yes, they have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Basic rights for all humans. But non citizens do not have those rights protected by our government. To do so would require them to become citizens.

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    I forgot to add this thought....I have witnessed many adults (implying that they have passed puberty) who have not the capacity for rational decision making. The ability to make a rational decision is subjective and not bound by puberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord5
    Stating that I dislike close minded people is not contradictory, Although I may dislike them, I still take into consideration what they say.
    You didn't say you "disliked" them, you said you "abhor" them, which I'd bet is infinitely closer to what you really believe given the comment equating Christians with murderers.


    abhor
    1. To regard with extreme repugnance. source

    The comment was clearly self-contradictory.


    Yes.
    A pervert is someone who goes against social mores, which are defined by the society.
    I would say that if defining that person as a pervert, no it is not. If done in an attempt to insult or marginalize them, yes, it is.

    Could you please explain to me how it is possible to call someone a pervert without insulting and marginalizing them? The whole purpose of the words existence is to insult and marginalize people who fall under its definition, which is precisely what a just society would want to do to such people, by the way.

    I never said that homosexuality was not a perversion, just that they should be afforded the same rights as traditional marriage.
    In that case why wouldn't pedophiles qualify for the same rights?
    I know! Because they are felons, right?
    Well homos were felons when you precious Declaration of Independence was written and they remained as such until less than a generation ago.
    And why in your view, should pedophilia be a crime if homosexuality is not?

    Ahh, but you see, I made that statement before anyone had said anything to me. Not really all that applicable to this situation.
    A for effort though.
    No you didn't! You said that Lucky had a closed my in post #10, in RESPONSE to his post #8. Last time I checked, 10 came AFTER 8, but then again, I didn't major in logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete
    but then again, I didn't major in logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minerva
    First....Do you even have children? I have 4 and I watch them make rational decisions every day....even complex ones.(Then again I am the proud parent of some very intelligent children)

    Second.....I am fully "read up" on my psychology.

    Third.....Check your dictionary for the definition of the word "rational" then, pay close attention to your own words here....

    "Children are incapable of making rational decisions until after puberty is complete"

    You statement is incorrect. It is only your opinion that a child in unable to grasp an abstract situation and the resulting consequences.
    Piaget.
    Formal operational stage
    The formal operational stage is the fourth and final of the stages of cognitive development of Piaget's theory. This stage, which follows the Concrete Operational stage, commences at around 11 years of age (puberty) and continues into adulthood. It is characterized by acquisition of the ability to think abstractly and draw conclusions from the information available. During this stage the young adult functions in a cognitively normal manner and therefore is able to understand such things as love, "shades of gray", and values. Lucidly, biological factors may be traced to this stage as it occurs during puberty and marking the entry to adulthood in Physiology, cognition, moral judgement (Kohlberg), Psychosexual development (Freud), and social development (Erikson).
    Continues until completion of puberty. (that means I was right)

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