Are Glamour Models Immoral?
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ClimateSanity
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Ephesians 2:8,9 is very clear.
elohiym
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You can't make the Bible say what it doesn't.
Sorry you and CS can't see that you are mired in legalism.
You add "undeserving" in parenthesis.
It states right there why: "But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us."
We receive His mercy, His grace, all good things and chastisements because He is our Father and loves us. You want to argue that we don't deserve our Father's love?
How on earth could you read that verse and conclude that we don't deserve His grace because He wants to "show the exceeding riches of His grace?" There is nothing in that verse to support your crazy notions.
Maybe you should just focus on following 1 Timothy 2:12?
The scriptures don't state a gift is undeserved, that's your addition again. In this case it was a gift promised to God's children in the time of Abraham. Logically whoever received the promise deserved the gift, else everyone would just have the gift and salvation would be universal.
I've never claimed a gift is earned, just deserved. Ironically, you believe you are a child of God but other people are not, you have God's grace but they don't because you essentially think you earned it by believing the gospel.
If it's a boast to claim my Father loves me, then I gladly boast. What is your claim? That you are undeserving of God's love, but because you believe a certain atonement doctrine you will not burn in Hell like the other guy.
It's not boasting to claim God showed me mercy because he loved me as His child, but you are boasting when you claim he showed you mercy because you believed some atonement theory.
elohiym
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It doesn't mean grace is unmerited, only that it's not earned by works.
A child merits his parent's love. It has nothing to do with having earned that love by doing chores. God is the Father of us all (Acts 17:28-29), which is why he loves the world, not just you and GD. I thought you used to believe this, but I obviously never knew you.
ClimateSanity
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????? I'm disagreeing with you and it merits your hateful attitude toward me???
We can do nothing to merit Grace. The Bible is very clear about that. God loves us because we are his children but we can do nothing to merit it. If he gives us Grace, its his doing.
if you are saying we don't do anything to merit Grace, then we are in agreement , and you can cut the snotty attitude.
musterion
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If I walk back and forth in front of the cage of a hungry tiger carrying a raw t-bone in each hand, I'm going to bear some degree of responsibility for my stupidity if that tiger reaches its paw between the bars and snags me.
some here would say. And that is absolutely right. Except that some of those same have already equated rapists with animals, which I also agree with.
Difference is, it's impossible to know which men, and sometimes even women, are really sub-human animals awaiting a chance to victimize you. It's impossible to know with certainty who is who, or when.
The stupidest parts of all of these threads are the selective appeals to human rationality - you simply can't count on it, sometimes even when you think you safely can - and the selective application of personal responsibility...make unwise choices, like deliberately enticing what could be a hungry animal, and you're probably going to suffer for it.
some here would say. And that is absolutely right. Except that some of those same have already equated rapists with animals, which I also agree with.
Difference is, it's impossible to know which men, and sometimes even women, are really sub-human animals awaiting a chance to victimize you. It's impossible to know with certainty who is who, or when.
The stupidest parts of all of these threads are the selective appeals to human rationality - you simply can't count on it, sometimes even when you think you safely can - and the selective application of personal responsibility...make unwise choices, like deliberately enticing what could be a hungry animal, and you're probably going to suffer for it.
You don't believe in God but can explain to the rest of us his cares and concerns, Satanist? :dizzy: Mt 10:29-31
Rather astonishing, isn't it? Thankfully some of us don't base our morals on who we like or dislike but rather on right VS wrong.
Due to the way glamour models (in their revealing and seductive clothing) present themselves, IF enticing men is the standard that is being used, they are immoral. At least that would be consistent.
You must be Muslim
Enticing men seems to pay off if one is willing to sell oneself.
If there were no market there would be no product.
People are free to make their own choices.
I thank God for His guiding hand in my life.
And I do not presume to think myself better than any other of His sons and daughters. I do, however, try to be a good witness and stay away from things that I find unappealing.
Problem being, what we might subjectively consider skimpy, provocative, alluring, or even "immoral" attire varies from person to person, and even dressing "modestly," by some sweeping standard, doesn't guarantee a thing. You seem to suggest bundling up--or something--because women should assume the worst. Unfortunately, often being a woman is dangerous enough.
musterion
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He will be.
You nailed it. Unfortunately. Life is more dangerous based on a person's gender. What we have seen (insofar as the double standards and attitudes towards women) is that it is reasonable to assume the worst.
Indeed ... and that is because you are a decent person.
Greg Jennings
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Am I to understand from this that if a naked woman was walking in front of you, you simply could not control yourself any more than a tiger would if you held a steak in front of it?
Perhaps you need counseling of some sort. Most decent human beings have some semblance of self-control
Greg Jennings
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You are a rarity, Bybee. A Christian who lives up to the title. I have seen you act as Jesus wanted his followers to. If anyone on this forum is worthy of him, it is you.
GD likes to pass judgement on others while pretending she is better than they. Don't get too worked up over her. You are her better
I am not really understanding the animal comparison. As human beings, we are more intelligent and have a better sense of right VS wrong.
Perhaps I am being overly optimistic when I say this, however, IMO, there are more men who would offer a coat to a woman walking in front of them as compared to those who would attack her.
That makes one a legalist (Phil 3:5).
linger: His mercy is from old. His wrath is from old, too. Rom. 2:5–8
opcorn: :yawn: Christians love God's mercy. :straight: Ps. 25:6
“If you take part of the truth, and try to make that part of the truth, all of the truth, then that part of the truth becomes an untruth.” ~ Adrian Rogers
Absolutely. Bybee is a great example of Christianity as well as an asset on TOL.
musterion
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A woman walks around naked in front of me quite often and has for years. We get along just fine.
A homosexual wouldn't understand that.
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