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Thread: One on One: Miller/Urey shows that life cannot form naturally

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    Okay, since we are in a time crunch, I don't think this can be done right. The right way is to have someone that understands the reactions actually face them. To write them out himself. What would happen is that we would find that we can add raw energy to a system with the components for a protein and start building a protein.

    But then...

    We can get as far as building a chain of 2 or 3 amino acids this way, but when we try to get the chain any longer, there is a problem. Specifically, and this is what happened in Miller, the energy requirement to get a longer chain becomes obstructively great. In fact, other things that would destroy the existing chain start to take place in the presence of this kind of energy thrown into the system.

    This is just cold science. It is what every evolutionist should face. Miller showed that a path to proteins, a popular one, is a dead end - it proves that life could not have evolved down this path.

    In fact, it shoots down a lot of potential paths. Again, this is just science at its best. A single experiment shows us the truth about so many possible experiments. The next obvious question is; do we have any hypothesis or theory on how we can get a protein (or DNA for that matter) that doesn't go down a Miller type path?
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    Despite my confusion, the discussion is about proteins only at this point. But the professor at the local university says that DNA (or RNA) actually needs a pretty complicated scaffolding to stay together well. Doesn't that rule out any natural construction?
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    So the next obvious question should be... what does it take to make an enzyme?
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