The West is dead

musterion said:

Is there an answer I can give for which you will not condemn me?

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ok doser said:

that's where the lost sheep are to be found, grazing in perverted pastures

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exminister said:

Then that's not focusing on the world

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chrysostom said:

do you have an answer?

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musterion said:

Yes.

Is there an answer I can give for which you won't condemn me?

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musterion said:

I'm probably sitting the rest out. Last time I voted was for Romney, when I was actually voting against Obama. Can't see the harm, since I haven't received one single solitary thing I voted for in the past 20 years or so except BLAME. Even when I do vote, people like you claim people like me stayed home and cost the election.

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ok doser said:

Vote Carson!

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musterion said:

Neither he nor Trump will be, or be allowed to be, the nominee.

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rocketman said:

That is what they said with Reagan as well...you never know how these things will play out but, expect any challenger to the progressive liberal RINO status quo to be met with resistance, and that lack of unification around the popular candidate with the voters will be the republican's undoing...yet again, you can see it coming.

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musterion said:

One big difference between Trump and Reagan: there's no way to know just much of what Trump says is what he actually believes and would act upon if elected. Reagan was more of a known quantity by 1980. Trump still isn't. He is smart and very shrewd; he reads people very well. He's charismatic, and that helps him seem believable. But he could just be telling a disaffected electorate (us) what he knows we want to hear. I just don't know, and I don't think anyone else does, either. He could be legit, or he could be another Perot.

Either way, the GOP is not interested in putting up anyone who can merely win - they want someone they control, someone who resembles leftists because the GOP wants to continue to participate in the statist power structure that has been built atop the remains of the Republic. The last thing the GOP wants to do is upset or destroy it; hence their despising the Tea Party, Palin, etc. Hence people like McConnell, Boehner and Ryan. Trump, if genuine, is a real threat to all of that.

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patrick jane said:

Just like the mocking of the disabled journalist.

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musterion said:

I heard something about that but haven't looked at it. Was he mocking him as a journalist, or as a cripple?

Either way, so what? Obama made it okay to make fun of retarded people.

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musterion said:

Many societies have been moral, to varying degrees, but no civilization ever has been truly godly. Ours is no exception. Israel was godly only in fits and starts throughout her existence; much of the time she went whoring after idols and was chastised, crushed and sent into horrible slavery for it. But since the end of the period covered by the book of Acts, all nations are equally lost before God, just as at the scattering of Babel. All are now set aside by God as equally lost in unbelief. That means no nation today has precedence over others. Nor does any individual. ALL may come to Him, but solely and only through faith in Christ according to the Gospel of the grace of God, without works, as it was the death of the Son on the cross that paid the individual’s sin debt, and His raising from the dead which ensures the individual’s justification before God.

So to look for any societal-scale redemption of Europe or the U.S. — which by and large rejected the Word of God many decades ago — is vain. No society which tolerates or shrugs off such as this…

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...kicks-black-friday-violence-article-1.2448085

or this...

http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/

or this...

http://nypost.com/2015/11/27/people-having-sex-with-horses-is-on-the-rise-in-switzerland/

or this…

http://christiannews.net/2015/11/22...od-while-standing-next-to-photo-of-dead-baby/

…can stand in the face of an invader bent on converting, conquering or killing those it knows have grown soft and fat with iniquity. It just can't, not as a society.

There are saved individuals everywhere, and God knows who are His. But while Islam is of the Devil — on that point there is no argument — so is everything else in this world, most pointedly including the dissipated, useless “Christendom” of Europe and the U.S. that increasingly no longer believes God’s Word and isn’t even convinced He exists:

“In the last days, perilous times shall come. . .having a form [false outward appearance] of godliness but denying the POWER thereof” (2 Tim 3:5).

“…[Satan’s ministers] transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness" (2 Cor 11:15).

That power of true godliness is the Gospel of the grace of God itself, for it alone is “the power of God unto salvation” (Rom 1:16). So it wasn’t Islam the apostle Paul was warning about. It was professing but unsaved Christians to whom Christ will say, “Depart from Me, I never knew you.”

Yet if you ask most natives on the streets of Europe and the U.S. if they consider themselves at least nominally Christian, they’ll say “yes” no matter what else they believe or, more to the point, do not believe.

As a society, we’re doomed. But that really isn’t news (Rev 11:15).

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musterion said:

One big difference between Trump and Reagan: there's no way to know just much of what Trump says is what he actually believes and would act upon if elected. Reagan was more of a known quantity by 1980. Trump still isn't. He is smart and very shrewd; he reads people very well. He's charismatic, and that helps him seem believable. But he could just be telling a disaffected electorate (us) what he knows we want to hear. I just don't know, and I don't think anyone else does, either. He could be legit, or he could be another Perot.

Either way, the GOP is not interested in putting up anyone who can merely win - they want someone they control, someone who resembles leftists because the GOP wants to continue to participate in the statist power structure that has been built atop the remains of the Republic. The last thing the GOP wants to do is upset or destroy it; hence their despising the Tea Party, Palin, etc. Hence people like McConnell, Boehner and Ryan. Trump, if genuine, is a real threat to all of that.

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