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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    You have failed before you even start. Not that I ever thought you'd get around to actually proposing an actual disproof - you're all mouth and no trousers, as they say around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    @Stripe, this VVVVV
    Is there a proof to disprove?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Is there a proof to disprove?

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    Of course not, but you think there is, so I have been waiting for you to elucidate further about what you think you know or have found.

    I predict that you cannot now or ever produce a disproof of Einstein's Relativity or a link to such a disproof, nor to a falsifying experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    Of course not, but you think there is, so I have been waiting for you to elucidate further about what you think you know or have found.I predict that you cannot now or ever produce a disproof of Einstein's Relativity or a link to such a disproof, nor to a falsifying experiment. ( Stripe, all mouth and no trousers. )
    Ah, well. I've already provided a link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Ah, well. I've already provided a link.

    So much for your predictions.
    No you didn't, you linked to an Amazon page.

    So much for your dissembling and lies. You should be ashamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    No you didn't, you linked to an Amazon page.
    I didn't provide a link, I provided a link. Got it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post

    Does anyone have anything else to say about the fallacy of time dilation?
    Time does not exist in a quantitative sense. Understanding it as a component of the universe is the fallacy.

    Linearity (not the mathematical kind) is a concept of convenience, not an ultimate reality. It is how we make sense of the effect of sin on our grey hairs and get to work when we need to. The relativity of time is inherent as it is a relative concept. But not to gravity; only to other events in the before/after sense.

    God accommodates Himself to our limited understanding when referencing occurrences before and after other occurrences. He works within the limits of our finiteness for our good. Indeed, He created days and nights, partly, for the purpose of communicating to us on our level. But the ultimate reality is irrespective of our understanding which is skewed by our sin nature and truly vain.

    Just as time is not a constituent of the universe, love, hope, faith and sin are real things, gifts from God, commodities, constituents. We are just not used to thinking of them in this way.

    The ancients had it right; science cannot be divorced from religion seeing that everything works together. Facts without purpose do not give rise to understanding and wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Time does not exist in a quantitative sense. Understanding it as a component of the universe is the fallacy.

    Linearity (not the mathematical kind) is a concept of convenience, not an ultimate reality. It is how we make sense of the effect of sin on our grey hairs and get to work when we need to. The relativity of time is inherent as it is a relative concept. But not to gravity; only to other events in the before/after sense.
    I was with up to this point - mostly.

    God accommodates Himself to our limited understanding when referencing occurrences before and after other occurrences. He works within the limits of our finiteness for our good. Indeed, He created days and nights, partly, for the purpose of communicating to us on our level. But the ultimate reality is irrespective of our understanding which is skewed by our sin nature and truly vain.
    The idea that God exists outside of time is foreign to the bible and actually comes from pagan Greek philosophical ideas that were introduced into Christianity by Augustine who learned them from the Classics (i.e. Aristotle/Plato).

    Nowhere do we read in the bible about God not experiencing duration and sequence (i.e. time). Nowhere do we read in the bible about God creating time, which is a good thing since time doesn't exist and a reference to Him having created it would falsify the bible, not to mention the fact that it would be an inherently self-contradictory thing to claim.

    Just as time is not a constituent of the universe, love, hope, faith and sin are real things, gifts from God, commodities, constituents. We are just not used to thinking of them in this way.
    Time does not exist ontologically. The universe exist. Love, hope and faith exist ontologically only in the sense that God Himself exists and these things are in some way part of who He is but in the normal sense of the words, they too only exist as concepts in a thinking mind and do not have their own ontological existence.

    The ancients had it right; science cannot be divorced from religion seeing that everything works together. Facts without purpose do not give rise to understanding and wisdom.
    The ancients? You mean the author of Proverbs 9:10?

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