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    "If you're going to use electricity to explain gravity, you need to explain why the rate at which something falls is independent of that object's charge (minus electric self-force), and also independent of that object's mass. Why do all objects near the Earth fall with the same acceleration?" -- https://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...ctric-universe
    An object's charge would only affect the rate at which it falls due to gravity if there were an electric field acting on the object due to its charge.

    If, for example, you were to drop two objects of equal mass through tubes made of a non-ferrous metal, like aluminum or copper, they would both fall through the tube at exactly the same rate unless one of them happens to be a magnet. A magnet would induce an electric current and thus a magnetic field as it moved through the metal tube resulting in a much slower rate of drop.

    Also, nature tends to deal with forces in the most efficient way possible. So if a charged particle is dropping through the Earth's magnetic field, it may only effect the object's orientation in the field rather than its rate of drop depending on the strength of the charge and the field strength (and orientation).

    Regardless, the fact that you can neglect electrical considerations when calculating orbits is a significant hurdle for the EUT (Electric Universe Theory) to overcome and the theory's proponents are fully aware of this and have made attempts to address it. I'm not familiar enough with the theory to articulate their explanations but their stuff is easy to find. Just go to their website and do a search there.

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    @Clete, I did look at their website.

    They can't explain orbits.
    They can't explain the continuous spectrum of the sun.
    They can't produce a quantitative theory or numerical predictions.
    They are producing lots of hot air.

    Cranks, the lot of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    This, I suspect, is a fabrication.
    Well, that's one way to solve the cognitive dissonance.

    "Everyone is lying! It's a conspiracy!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    Hi Nihilo.

    Rather than spend scarce time watching Clete's crank alternative physics videos, you might enjoy this old Usenet Physics FAQ. It is really illuminating.

    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/

    Please ask me any follow up questions, and I'll do my best to help out.
    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...old_color.html

    This one was interesting. At the end of the article, it mentions that the reason mercury is liquid at standard conditions is also due to relativity. Does this have to do with electrons traveling at velocities that are nontrivial wrt relativity? (Their velocity is not the speed of light, but it is in the range 0.5c I think (I didn't verify).)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...old_color.html

    This one was interesting. At the end of the article, it mentions that the reason mercury is liquid at standard conditions is also due to relativity. Does this have to do with electrons traveling at velocities that are nontrivial wrt relativity? (Their velocity is not the speed of light, but it is in the range 0.5c I think (I didn't verify).)
    Yes, the high speed changes their mass and orbital distances, which changes the position and energy of the outer electrons that are responsible for interactions with light and other atoms. For mercury, the outer electrons become more attached to their atom and less involved in attractions to neighbours. The effect is to reduce the melting point from 82°C without relativity to somewhere around -30°C, making it a liquid at room temperature.

    This is a good recent summary:
    https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/...y/6297.article
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